Dive buddy from Hell.

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Groundhog246

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Diving this past weekend, near Owen Sound. Water temp of 42F. I ended up buddied up with the buddy from hell. It was an OW/AOW training weekend. My wife was doing AOW and our 14 year old his OW. As the most experienced of the certified divers there, I was asked to "look after" the group, which mostly consisted of making sure all knew the dive site rules (check in and out of the water, as well as above/below in the water, with the divemaster on shore and keep them out of the way of the classes. We had a couple of older gents, one newly certified (same LDS I was with), one who claimed 7 years and 70+ dives (trained with a different LDS) who had planned to dive together. I had buddied up with another guy who I had buddied with once last season with quite decent skills and we planned to dive together with the aforementioned pair. I kept an eye on the new guy, who assembled his gear correctly and in reasonable time. My second mistake (the first was agreeing to supervise) was not checking the "experienced" divers gear closely enough. After check in all bc's/tanks/regs ready to go, we donned wetsuits. My buddy and I checked each other over. The other pair were taking a little longer and we were getting warm, so we told them we'd wait in the water (error #3?). As we floated waiting, they came down to the shore a couple of minutes later, "experienced" diver had his BC on and weight belt in one hand. Then he sat down (??) and couldn't get up again and his buddy was not sure what to do. I managed to attract the attention of the LDS owner on shore. He came over, helped him off with his BC, discovered he had the tank/regs in backwards. Got it straightened around, his belt and BC on and into the water. Meanwhile my buddy and I decided a change of pans was in order. He would buddy with the new guy and I'd take the "experienced " diver (error #4 if your counting). We did buddy checks, went over the dive plan again and off we went.
Now remember the site "rules". We happen upon an OW pair. He's looking only at the bottom as he hand over hands along it, runs straight into a student and still doesn't look up. I grab his tank valve a drag him around, point him away from the group and he turns right and runs into the instructor. Grab and drag him again. Finally get him away from them and get him to look at me and optimistic me, figure we're all set now. NO WAY. He floating feet high, head down, listing to one side (his belt shifted), hand over hand along the bottom. OK, enough of this, I signal the other pair (who wisely kept their distance) that we're turning, they turn with us. I physically have to turn my buddy. In the process, I bumped my mask and had a flood of cold water up the right side of my hood (at least it didn't flood my mask) and instant vertigo/nausea. I rapidly "eject" my bacon and egg breakfast through my reg, manage to take a not too violent breath, get controlled and swap to my octo. Then still feeling dizzy/nauseous, chase him down and signal and ascent. On the surface, we signal OK to the shore crew and while I'm explaining what happened to the other pair, who were just on the fringe of visibility, my buddy strikes out for shore by himself (for which the shore crew soundly chastised him upon his arrival). The saddest part, trying to discuss it with him after the dive, he thought it was a fine dive till I got ill. I spread the word, but he found a group willing to take him along in the afternoon. Speaking to them later, it was more of the same, by which time no one would buddy with him and he sat Sunday on the shore.

Since there's no method I'm aware of to "revoke" a C-card, aside from telling all around you not to dive with him, what does one do with the "Buddy from Hell"?
 
I would *strongly suggest* getting this diver to a Scuba Skills Update (or whatever his agency calls it). Maybe a DM or DiveCon could get him to see the error of his ways in the pool. It sounds like he is sitting on the bottom, doesn't know how to put his gear together, and isn't remembering instructions. At least two of the three can be worked on.

I had one of those dive buddies once. It turned out that he was experienced enough but was spending more time thinking about his children who he left on the shore than his dive. He kept swimming in my baffles and then aborted a dive without telling me (no particular reason). When it first happened, I swore that I would never dive with him again. But I looked at all the factors and figured that he was having a bad day when I asked around the shop and found out that he was actually considered a pretty good diver. I also analyzed what I did wrong and it improved my performance. I have never dove with him again, but it is basically because I have not had the opportunity.

I admit, you had an awful experience with the guy. If I were you, I would make sure never to dive with him again. But, maybe his performance can be improved so that he doesn't turn into a danger to someone else. It isn't your job to do it, but hopefully, he can be directed to someone who knows some other ways to improve his diving.

Good Luck and Safe Diving!
 
Over the years I have learned that any time someone says "old Joe's gonna join you guys... you don't need to worry about him, he's been diving forever" the red flags, warning lights, alarm bells and sirens should start popping up all over my little pea brain!
If I don't already know someone (and their diving ability) personally, I've come to plan and expect they'll do something ridiculous, stupid and dangerous on the dive - that way, I stand a better chance of surviving if I'm right; if I'm wrong I can celebrate!
As for what to do with one, it's a case-by-case thing, but I usually try to focus on the most egregious specific - in the case you cite I'd probably start with "staying off the bottom so we don't muck it up so bad." Also, it's helpful to put the fault on me while keeping the improved performance on him... "Hey, John, I need you to help me out by staying off the bottom this time... I get really uncomfortable when the silt starts coming up and I can't see." Now he's got to either (try to) improve or suggest I'm not up to buddying with him any more...
Rick
 
I understand you frustration Diverbrian. I think most of us did some diving with buddies who were swimming as a speed boat, kept bumping in to you, went every direction without looking around etc.etc.

IMO those divers never improved their skills by sitting on the shore. Only practice and training will make them better. Question is if you are the person to provide this. By the information you gave it seems this was just a fun dive for you. I think with fun diving it should be fun also for the one supervising.

Talk to one of the DM, they can volunteer to take this guy to the pool and do some basic training. I don't think just telling everyone they shouldn't dove with this guy is the best option, even when he improves himself out of sight from the others they still will remember your advise. Again talk to the instructors/DM at your organization and work a plan to improve instead of to ignore.
 
I think that the basic problem is to agree to escort a group for a club.
If I'm working for the club, that's one thing. But to take the chance that my dive will become FUBAR because of some Idiot who don't want to listen and learn, Not on my free time.
I know of a technical instructor who still carry his AOW card every were, just so when he go into a new dive center he will not be asked to do such chors.

And if a refresh cource will fail, at least the club personel will not let the guy dive with them. (hopfully)
 
Sharky once bubbled...
IMO those divers never improved their skills by sitting on the shore. Only practice and training will make them better. Question is if you are the person to provide this. By the information you gave it seems this was just a fun dive for you. I think with fun diving it should be fun also for the one supervising.

I'm not an instructor or DM. I was asked as the LDS owner (and several of his instructors) does consider me to have excellent dive habits and skills. They have been gently encouraging me to move ahead with my training with an eye to having me become a staff diver. However, I didn't take up diving to make it a job.
In this instance I had the most familiarity with the dive site and with the "rules" in place for the weekend. I was under no obligation to dive with him and after the first dive did not.

Talk to one of the DM, they can volunteer to take this guy to the pool and do some basic training. I don't think just telling everyone they shouldn't dove with this guy is the best option, even when he improves himself out of sight from the others they still will remember your advise. Again talk to the instructors/DM at your organization and work a plan to improve instead of to ignore.

It was my understanding that the owner of the LDS did speak to him, but there is no way to require him to refresh/upgrade his skills. I did not enjoy advising other divers to not dive with him, but for that weekend at least, I think it was the correct action.
If I saw someone driving a car as badly as he dove, I'd immediately be on the phone to the cops, as I have done in the past. In one case it was a driver wandering all over 2 lanes, completely oblivious to all around him. I went 2 exits beyond my intended at the dispatchers request, until such time as they could get a cruiser in place. He came up behind me, identified me, confirmed the vehicle I was concenred about and stopped him. I don't know if the driver was ever charged with anything, but I sure felt better, even if he just got told to shape up.
 
Thats why I dive mainly Solo. But there are tons of people who still try to convince me that Buddy diving ( with any idot) is safer than solo. Well, nothing can be safer than diving with an experienced buddy, but lets face the facts, we dont always have that liberty
 
Dropped into my LDS yesterday after work to pick up my filled tanks. Spoke to them about the weekend. They have discussed it and plan to "invite" him to attend the next OW weekend. If he attends, they will pair him with a staff diver and work on his skills with a "we noticed you were stuggling a bit and thought we might be able to help" approach. (as opposed to the "smarten up before you kill someone approach" :D )
I really do hope he takes advantage of the opportunity.
 

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