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I'm sure that the drop out rate has a number of factors associtated with it. I am rarely able to follow my students for more that three or four years (its a university based program), but most of them are actively (12+ dives/year) diving at that point.

Why? I think that there are a number of factors. In no particular order:

1) They all have a full set of gear that they have purchased for the class, less a tank and regulator, which many atually have by the end of class.

2) They have a large group of buddies to drawn on (and who draw on them).

3) They're training is sufficient that they are comfortable diving in most any of the local locations without a leadership escort (they've had 14 to 18 dives during the class).

4) They've learned the ins-and-outs of a half dozen, or more, local dive sites.
 
Here is a link to a little dive report I posted in another thread after a dive at a local site yesterday. The report briefly describes the reaction of some new(ish) divers to the conditions vs our cinsiderable enjoyment of our dive.

I think the site is fairly representative of what you can expect at a lot of midwest sites this time of year and I think the reaction of some of the other divers is also typical. I think it illustrates why some divers (there are lots of them who are trained in and live in the midwest) lose interest in local diving. I think lots of divers lose interest in something that they can't do often. Aside from being fresh water and lacking all the tropical colors, conditions are at their worst during the time of the year when most want to be diving. If they do have any interests in fresh water stuff, they just don't stick with it long enough to learn to find possible points of interest or develop the skills they need to enjoy these sites.

A few posts back someone suggested that I had the type of attitude that might discourage new divers from diving, so I'll extend this offer. To any new(ish) divers in the area who are, for whatever reason, having trouble finding points of interest and would like to give it another shot...My wife and I would be more than happy to let just about any one tag along. We have more dives in some of these places than I care to admit. While we can't make it like the tropics, if there's anything in these places that would interest you, we can likely help find it even when the vis stinks. Well, do this just for fun and, of course, at no cost. Out of our interest in self preservation, preservation of the environment (ok it aint the tropics but there's still stuff out there that I don't like to see torn up), to maximize enjoyment of the dive for all of us and just to excersize good dive practices, we would only ask that you participate in a short...lets call it a "team orientation" prior to actually going out sight seeing. Again, at no cost at all and only because we'd be more than happy to help other divers get a chance to see the stuff at local dive sites that we enjoy. We think that divers who put adequate effort into their own skill and learning the sites can enjoy them.

Disclaimer: We are NOT instructors. We do NOT carry underwater liability insurance. We're NOT offering to teach. We're NOT offering to insure your safety or provide anything beyond what any other dive buddy would or could provide. We're only extending an invitation to interested certified divers to dive with us as a buddy/team member willing to accept an equal share of responsibility before, during and after the dive. As a trained and certified diver, it's your responsibility to make go-nogo decissions for yourself and give input in the dive planning process based on an honest assessment of your own skill and comfort as well as your assessment of our skill and comfort. Only you can get you hurt or killed and dispite what some agencies like to admit, divers who screw up do sometimes get hurt or killed. These may be "just quarries" but divers have been hurt and/or killed in every single one of them. It's a mathematical certainty that more divers will be hurt and/or killed in them and it's up to you to see to it that you aren't one of them.

Sorry about the long winded and somewhat grim disclaimer but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Anyone interested should just PM me and we'll go from there.

Anyway, heres the link http://scubaboard.com/showpost.php?p=2101242&postcount=70
 
Another thing to consider, contrary to scuba industry marketing, scuba isn't for everyone. Many try, few really enjoy.

I think that a majority of OW students never become comfortable breathing U/W, for example; the standard SB answer to new divers (?)"how much weight?" (A) "less as you become more comfortable".
 
That's an incredibly generous offer, Mike - I wish I could take you and your wife up on it! Come dive in Ontario and I will! :D
 
I wonder how he gets this number. If you just talked to my instructor, he might figure I was one of those 93%. Since getting certified, I've never been back to the shop (it's too far away, really). But since getting certified, I've done my Nitrox, AOW, put in ~70 dives and bought all my own gear. If he keeps records of who takes classes and who comes back for more training, gear or books a vacation, I am on his "lost" list.

If it's just numbers he keeps for himself he has no idea what his students are doing except for the regulars. The people who buy no gear and do a few dives on vacation every year don't show up on anyone's radar.
 
Amberjack:
That's an incredibly generous offer, Mike - I wish I could take you and your wife up on it! Come dive in Ontario and I will! :D

Thanks but it's not really all that generous. It's an interesting reason to visit those same old spots and we have every intention of having fun too. The quarries get a bad wrap because lots of divers go there at the wrong time (in the middle of summer when vis is at it's worst), sometimes early in their diving career when they have the most skill issues and they don't know where to look to see anything or they don't know what it is that they are seeing if they do see it.

We really enjoyed our dive yesterday and when I heard all those divers complaining, it got me thinking. We would have liked better vis too but it was almost like those divers had been diving a different site than we were. Then I realized they probably were. I know that different people have different tastes and some people are never going to be interested in diving fresh water but I wondered if any of those divers would have enjoyed their dive if they had done the same dive that we did. I would like to test that. I know that when you have an OW class full of new divers getting ready for the tropics many of them put their nose up at freshwater stuff. This was a different group though. These were certified divers that packed up their gear and chose to drive to this place and dive rather than doing something else and then they didn't enjoy it. I can't help but think that they really don't know how to enjoy it. If any one takes me up on this maybe we'll see.
 
MikeFerrara:
Thanks but it's not really all that generous. It's an interesting reason to visit those same old spots and we have every intention of having fun too. The quarries get a bad wrap because lots of divers go there at the wrong time (in the middle of summer when vis is at it's worst), sometimes early in their diving career when they have the most skill issues and they don't know where to look to see anything or they don't know what it is that they are seeing if they do see it.

We really enjoyed our dive yesterday and when I heard all those divers complaining, it got me thinking. We would have liked better vis too but it was almost like those divers had been diving a different site than we were. Then I realized they probably were. I know that different people have different tastes and some people are never going to be interested in diving fresh water but I wondered if any of those divers would have enjoyed their dive if they had done the same dive that we did. I would like to test that. I know that when you have an OW class full of new divers getting ready for the tropics many of them put their nose up at freshwater stuff. This was a different group though. These were certified divers that packed up their gear and chose to drive to this place and dive rather than doing something else and then they didn't enjoy it. I can't help but think that they really don't know how to enjoy it. If any one takes me up on this maybe we'll see.

I'd love to dive with you someday Mike. Now to be totally honest, I enjoy local diving so my excuse would simply be to dive with someone who has a ton of experience and to get an orientation to a new local sight.
 
MikeFerrara:
We really enjoyed our dive yesterday and when I heard all those divers complaining, it got me thinking. We would have liked better vis too but it was almost like those divers had been diving a different site than we were. Then I realized they probably were. I know that different people have different tastes and some people are never going to be interested in diving fresh water but I wondered if any of those divers would have enjoyed their dive if they had done the same dive that we did. I would like to test that. I know that when you have an OW class full of new divers getting ready for the tropics many of them put their nose up at freshwater stuff. This was a different group though. These were certified divers that packed up their gear and chose to drive to this place and dive rather than doing something else and then they didn't enjoy it. I can't help but think that they really don't know how to enjoy it. If any one takes me up on this maybe we'll see.

I ran into a couple that this past weekend that had driven a good two or more hours to get to a quarry in Ohio and were disappointed at the lack of vis and the cold temps at the thermocline. The last time the man was there was 10 years ago and it wasn't like he remembered it. After talking for a few minutes, it became clearer that most of the couples dives where in more tropical locals. The thing was, they had gone to the same site in the quarry as we did on one of the days dives and I had a great time there - hung out for about 7 minutes or so just watching the fish gathering. Oh - and I'm a newbie diver who has no current plans to go anywhere warm and tropical, although that would be nice when the schedule and budget allows. For now, I'll be continuing to hang out in those dreaded quarries every weekend that I get the chance. Like Divin'Hoosier, I think it would be great to dive with some one with some experience thats willing to share it.
 
I'd be happy to dive with either of you. You divers that already dive quarries and like it might be able to show me somthing I haven't seen.

eckybay, you must be diving gilboa? We haven't been there in a while but we used to spend a lot of time there. Gilboa is my favorite quarry and when the diver traffic is friendly the vis can be fantastic!
 
I usually go to Gilboa or Portage with Whitestar on occasion. All three are less than an hour from me, so that's a huge plus. I got certified in the spring, so I'm still working on exploring all of them, so every dive brings something new. Borrowed a camera on a couple of dives, that was fun to play around with. Read somewhere recently that there are freshwater sponge at the bus in Gilboa, so that'll give me something to look for next time I'm there. Been looking at pictures online so i know what it is when I see it :) I also got a hooded vest to go with the wetsuits, so my first trip to the tubes seems a lot more likely since I have some better exposure protection for the temps there. After a couple of Sunday trips, I'm fast learning the value of diving Friday nights or Saturday mornings to get the better vis. Hopefully I'm not stirring stuff up too bad for the next guy. I recently checked out a small quarry near Lima. Not as nice as some of the other ones in the area, but the admission is the same as at the local swimming pool, and my house lacks central air, so it's tempting to go for a dive on these hot evenings just to get cooled off.
 
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