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Diver Rescue

Discussion in 'Advanced Scuba' started by DCBC, Sep 14, 2010.

When should a diver be trained in "Basic" Rescue Techniques

Poll closed Sep 17, 2010.
  1. This should be required as a condition of initial certification.

    46.7%
  2. Anytime after the diver is initially certified.

    12.4%
  3. As part of an AOW program

    19.0%
  4. Only as part of a Rescue Diver Program

    19.7%
  5. Rescue isn't a required skill.

    2.2%
  1. marinediva

    marinediva Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives:
    Location: Illawarra.....south of Sydney australia & Balmain
    466
    3
    Hi TJ,
    From age 8 I learnt surf rescue with the local life savers. As a teenager, I joined the SES, State Emergency Service and assisted in many emergency events, cyclones, floods, body recovery work in my local area. I progressed through different levels of training for many different situations. Our regional group also entered competitions where emergencies were simulated. Living in sth East Qld, we did have many events and I was called out regularly during summer to fix tarpolins to roofs, as well as assist the state police in seaches for lost children, adults, & evidence.
    My working career started in the Defence Force and I was able to do some extra courses with them which were not associated with my field.
    Absailing, Parachuting, Fire Fighting. On leaving the force, I became a volunteer fire fighter, as well as First Aid.

    I lived on my boat so did a couple of courses in survival at sea. My travels then took me to some very remote parts of Australia, where I learnt bush survival and remote first aid. The positions I was employed in there were not run of the mill such as crocodile handler/tour guide for a croc farm. We were trained to enter cages and breeding sheds so we could select and cull croc for skins.

    For some people this is very stressful, I on the other hand loved my weird jobs and the remote areas I lived in.

    Then in 2009 within a three month period,
    I was the victim of an armed holdup. Some fool put a gun to my head. I turned to see it in my face and knocked it out of his hand. I actually thought it was a plastic gun and thought he was trying to sell it to me. (I know I'm a dickhead) but in that split second, I told him, get the gun out of my face, fool, and then heard it hit the ground. That is when I realised it was real. He ran, I ran after him, (he had my passport) I had his gun, he was caught and all was well.

    I witnessed a machette attack in a market place and was able to respond with first aid unfortunately the young boy died.

    My truck, which I was driving was involved in an attempted hijack, unfortunately I was by myself, managing to dump my minder that morning and consequently in the middle of nowhere. I got myself back to safety and called for backup. All good in the end.

    and finally, A woman died from a food allergy (MSG) in which the food came from a kitchen I was responsible for. I was not on duty that night, and a new chef had used the MSG against my instructions. This was the last straw for me.

    I packed up my bat and ball and was out of the game.
    I received help over a period and within a couple of months moved to NSW to start some cold water diving.

    But my confidence in my abilities was shattered.
    It took sometime before I felt comfortable again in the water. I questioned my own ability to train others, and wondered if I really can be an instructor when my physical capabilites were no longer that of a younger woman. I felt useless.

    In May this year I travelled to Solomon Island, and was involved in an incident at sea.
    We ran out of petrol in very rough seas. Although not the skipper of the dory, it was my training that stopped a bad situation getting worst.

    My confidence was starting to return. When I returned to Australia, I decided to further my marine training, and recently completed confined space fire rescue training.
    Interesting enough, the one female team (both of us 50) completed the task with the most air in reserve, in the shortest amt of time, and all dumbies were recovered. We were within a minute of the record. The other male teams did not score so well. These young guns, ran out of air, stuffed up in communication with base, and only managed to recover one of a possible three dumbies.

    My lessons were this.
    Yes my physical capabilities are less than years ago.
    but my understanding of emergencies have evolved.
    I do have to ensure that I talk about events and not bottle them in.

    Rescue courses have always been my favourite course to teach.
    I am a hard task master, but not as hard as what I have witnessed and learnt from others whom I admire and respect.

    Extra courses in any situations I believe will hold you in good stead.
    I have been fortunate to have training from a young age, and parents that believed in encouraging me to participate in volunteer emergency services as they did.
    My father is a special man, and when I felt situations were scary would say to me,
    kiddo, stay in the moment and know your capabilites, that is all we can ever do really.
     
  2. DevonDiver

    DevonDiver N/A

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: Subic Bay, Philippines
    15,396
    8,192
    Two people involved in the debate (Marinedive and myself) have lots of real experience. Our 'philosophical debate' is based on real experience.

    The straight fact is that there is no way to guarantee that your mental capacity is such that you will react perfectly, or even effectively, in an emergency.

    If I had a way to ensure that, I would be earning a fortune as a defence contractor now...

    Effective training gives you the tools.
    Prior experience helps reduce stress.
    ...but the end result depends on the person's unique level of self-discipline, panic control and ability to deal with the stress.
     
  3. DiscoVolante

    DiscoVolante Regular of the Pub

    # of Dives: 50 - 99
    Location: Switzerland
    6
    0
    Education is never a bad thing. Taking a Rescue class would probably make you a better diver/buddy even if you only had 30 dives under your belt.
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2010
  4. pjohnson

    pjohnson Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives:
    Location: Port St. Lucie, Fl
    97
    12
    My 14 yr old just completed his Jr. Rescue Certification. Although it's my job to make sure my kid comes back from every dive, things happen and I want him to be as prepared as possible.
    We can never expect that our "buddy" will always be there to make everything OK, so we all need to be prepared to be the one that makes everything OK.
    Do most OW courses spit out divers prepared to rescue themselves or thier buddy...? Probably not. Understanding that is our responsibility.
     
  5. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Dive Shop

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Canonsburg, Pa
    17,124
    9,179
    How about instead of just understanding it, do something to change it. Look for classes and instructors that do prepare divers for it in OW classes. I do in mine. Last nights pool session before checkouts tomorrow was panicked diver, a review of unconscious diver from depth that we did last week, and weight system dropping and support of a diver on the surface. If enough people start to demand that they get these skills before rescue maybe things will go backwards. At one time rescue skills were part of every OW course. We also went over buddy breathing and did a buddy breathing swim two weeks ago. Self rescue is always a part of every class. It's called covering the panic cycle and how to break it in different scenarios. It can happen during a mask remove and replace all the way up to to the ditch and don. I address it each time a new skill is introduced.
     
  6. tsovil

    tsovil Registered

    # of Dives:
    Location: Manzanillo, Colima, Mexico
    11
    0
    Dive training has come a long way since I started in 1969, certified in 1972. I think there is solid rational behind sequencing training as it has been done by PADI. Open Water divers are already subjected to "task overload". If "dumbing down" training means you don't study Boyle's Law and Henry's Law by name and in detail it's because at the Open Water level you only have to know some basic rules to be safe. No one has the time to spend on a 15-20 day program, and they don't have too. PADI requires 20 dives before you can enroll in the Rescue program. Divers need some experience beyond what they get in a formal training class. If you can take care of yourself at the Open Water level that's great. If you carefully read what initial Open Water divers should be told they are capable of participating in and they adhere to it, they will be fine. I do believe divers should set a goal to get through Advanced, Buoyancy and Rescue before they consider themselves "fully trained". Then, dive as often as you can!
     
  7. String

    String Master Instructor

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: Grand Cayman
    8,509
    365
    No it doesn't.
     
  8. fjpatrum

    fjpatrum Contributor

    # of Dives: 50 - 99
    Location: DC area
    2,777
    591
  9. marinediva

    marinediva Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives:
    Location: Illawarra.....south of Sydney australia & Balmain
    466
    3
    PADI does allow an OW diver to do the rescue course.
    They can be taught the confined water skills section.
    Thats what my instructor manual states.
     
  10. fjpatrum

    fjpatrum Contributor

    # of Dives: 50 - 99
    Location: DC area
    2,777
    591
    That is different information than what is shown on the website I linked in my last post. If you can teach an OW student, I think that's good, but as of right now, PADI's site (at least the two different pages I found) say prerequisites are at least an "adventure diver" cert, which is essentially OW with a couple of extra dives as near as I can tell. Not quite AOW but not really OW either...
     

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