fukushima fall out

[Alfawolfje]

As a rule, I ignore general media articles as journalists are not specialists and I have seen too many wrong, misquoted or generally intentionally overhyped articles. CNN being the top of the list. I prefer knowledge information from scientists and I know a few (including people from safecast). Very bright and very well equipped with the pricey full featured measurement devices. If I see them packing bags, I will haul my own ***.

As for accountability, two words "incompetence" and "corruption". If you are interested, read TEPCO: the empire of darkness.
http://www.japansubculture.com/a-light-in-the-dark-empire-the-man-who-fought-tepco/

A 2007 book showing enough warning signs... A lot of this could have been prevented.
The author has a new book "The Last Will and Testament of A TEPCO Foreman" (un)covering what happened in 2011.

As for profits from cleanup... There is, Japanese organized crime is at the forefront of it.

http://www.japansubculture.com/first-arrest-of-nuclear-mafia/

 

[T.C.]

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You have two news stories that is old news.

The rest is useless, unfounded blogs and opinion sites. Enenews? rawstory? euronews?

You have been lead about by the bloggers and media to believe. It's sad to see the death of common sense and independent thinking; to be replaced with blind adoration of blogs and opinion sites.

 

[NAM001]

They pick up more than alpha. and if memoory serves me, you are not going to get an alpha reading measuring 3-4 feet off the ground. beta gama neutron is something else. For those that think the government would lie. Need to remember that a lie is useless if it can be discovered. So the govt cant say harmless when every college and tree hugging agency can get the equipment for theselves and PROVE the lie.

People walking around with Geiger counters? Geiger counters only detect alpha radiation. Alpha particles are helium nuclei which come from the radioactive decay of really heavy elements like radium, uranium 235 ( if memory still serves) and plutonium. You just are not going to set off a Geiger counter with the radioactive products from Japan. The radiation would be beta and gamma emitters which Geiger counters cannot detect.

 

[100days-a-year]

Everyone knows you can't put anything on the internet that's not true.

Sometimes I just want to stab my eyes and ears with pencils when people quote "news" stories based on blogs that were in turn spawned by sensationalist sites driven by conspiracy theorists and the ease of acquiring web revenue by appealing to the intellect of the lowest common denominator.I was safe on the net for a few years but the denizens of the Enquirer supermarket tabloid subculture have made their way on to it.Looking for a batboy or wolfboy being ginned up and being blamed on Fukishima.

 

[T.C.]

Everyone knows you can't put anything on the internet that's not true.

Sometimes I just want to stab my eyes and ears with pencils when people quote "news" stories based on blogs that were in turn spawned by sensationalist sites driven by conspiracy theorists and the ease of acquiring web revenue by appealing to the intellect of the lowest common denominator.I was safe on the net for a few years but the denizens of the Enquirer supermarket tabloid subculture have made their way on to it.Looking for a batboy or wolfboy being ginned up and being blamed on Fukishima

+100. This is far too common.

 

[lionfish-eater]

T.C. I assume you missed the few articles that exposed Japan criminalizing any negative reporting related to the event. Reporters who publish anything that causes Japan to lose face will be punished. You can search for the original source if interested. Like I said, cali may not be radioactive, but that does not mean everything is ok. I understand your mentality of digging in and any outside ideas must be turned away at the door.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2014...ters-japan-fukushima-water.html?smid=re-share

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[Alfawolfje]

T.C. I will not violate the TOS and call you an ignorant fool who will ignore a piece of news solely based on the source. I assume you missed the few articles that exposed Japan criminalizing any negative reporting related to the event. Reporters who publish anything that causes Japan to lose face will be punished. You can search for the original source if interested. Like I said, cali may not be radioactive, but that does not mean everything is ok. I understand your mentality of digging in and any outside ideas must be turned away at the door.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2014...ters-japan-fukushima-water.html?smid=re-share

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Yes, the JAPANESE media as in members of press club usually don't touch the hot poke. Heavily influenced by government. (I guess this can also apply to other parts of world) No argument with you here.
But plenty of independent and decent (sometimes foreign) investigate reporters around.

http://www.japansubculture.com/japa...dgeons-reporters-into-silence-with-the-gavel/

I do often like New York Times articles and know some of their journalists but I am wondering what your point is??? One of only few good links I have seen here.

The problem with storing "waste" water is well covered and we have known this has been an issue at the site for the last year. I don't see how this "treated" or to be treated water is worse then the water being pumped directly into the cores and leaking all over the place and into the ocean.
Yes, we know this is happening and I know perfectly what the risks are (currents and radiation measurements). I am still diving a few hundred kilometers from it. Are you?

The NYT article is of little consequence to the point of OP.
They are still working hard to control the situation there with the occasional (to my regret) ****ups. We are watching them.

So all of Asia and the rest of the world, please enjoy your daily lives. Do worry about smoking, healthy food, your health and safe driving. Those are more important daily health risks to everyone then this. Just google "Jamie Oliver TED talk". Great presentation!

If something goes up in the air (like boom) or any spotted giant fire breathing lizards, we will let everyone know.

Okthnxbye.

 

[NAM001]

If cali is not radioactive then cali IS OK. There are always 2 sides to every incident. The powers wanting to contain panic sometimes at any cost, and the environmentalists that are often more dangerous than the powers. Environmentalists rely on ignorance of the people to create panic that will demand full investigations to calm the people. Any group that is anti nuclear will plant a seed to cause massive expendatures of funds in hopes that nuc power will be stopped because of cost. To be honest the good dooers are responsible for the lack of safer more efficient plants in the US as it is. They stopped licenses being issued by what ifs with support of the tricked public. If anything the japan issue whould be the catalise for licensing newer technology nuc plants, instead it is being used for the shutdown of plants. Anyone can get a giger counter (correctly functioning ort not) and anyone can post a thread. When the 2 get together for the purpose of creating panic or mistrust in the system it starts a ball rolling that is hard to stop, even with FACTS. HOw many radon detectors have been sold because the promoters say that you need to have it done. No one ever stops to think that the poromoters are just that sales promoters, and doing a good job. Little johny getd kidnapped on a school playground in NYC and kansas thinks they have to drive thier kids to school daily and stop recess periods. I willnot be convinced that cali has a rediation problem till i see someone with an official report from a credible agency with an explanation of the readings and threasholds for verious levels of threat. I worked around nuc plants and the primary source of radiation exposure is the sun. Because of that you check in your monitoring badges when you leave work and get them back when you start the next day, to prevent pfalse readings. So im not going to get excited about some tree hugger with a war surpluss counters results from walking the beach.

T.C. I assume you missed the few articles that exposed Japan criminalizing any negative reporting related to the event. Reporters who publish anything that causes Japan to lose face will be punished. You can search for the original source if interested. Like I said, cali may not be radioactive, but that does not mean everything is ok. I understand your mentality of digging in and any outside ideas must be turned away at the door.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2014...ters-japan-fukushima-water.html?smid=re-share

---------- Post added April 17th, 2014 at 06:36 PM ----------

 

[lionfish-eater]

I agree that the geiger counters in the sand is nonsense used to stir up the emotions. My complaint is people thinking that just because it happened somewhere else it is not a problem. It is a problem to deactivate broken fuel rods that are in a twisted pile. It is a problem that in addition to all the sea water used to cool the reactors, the natural groundwater is getting contaminated as it flows through the ground around the reactors on it's way to the sea. It is a problem that it is more important to "save face" by covering up the seriousness than it is to ask for the worlds help containing the problem. The upcoming Olympics are more important, at least based on how much attention and money is being allocated.

Tokyo is Already Preparing for a Disaster at the 2020 Olympics ? Next City

 

[T.C.]

I agree that the geiger counters in the sand is nonsense used to stir up the emotions. My complaint is people thinking that just because it happened somewhere else it is not a problem. It is a problem to deactivate broken fuel rods that are in a twisted pile. It is a problem that in addition to all the sea water used to cool the reactors, the natural groundwater is getting contaminated as it flows through the ground around the reactors on it's way to the sea. It is a problem that it is more important to "save face" by covering up the seriousness than it is to ask for the worlds help containing the problem. The upcoming Olympics are more important, at least based on how much attention and money is being allocated.

Tokyo is Already Preparing for a Disaster at the 2020 Olympics ? Next City

Nobody said it wasn't a disaster. I said that in my first post.

But inaccurate mass hysteria, like you've subscribed to, is less than helpful.

The technology exists to remove the fuel rods. We know about the groundwater, and there is a plan to stop it. There are no better ideas than freezing it. And there is little the world CAN do to help. Japan is a modern, industrial nation. They have the necessary resources already.

Of course Japan is preparing for a disaster at their Olympics. They'd be fools not to.