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Have you ever been refused to be allowed to dive?

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba' started by wildbill9, Feb 22, 2021.

  1. lowwall

    lowwall Contributor

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  2. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    There are many threads on this. The term means advanced beyond OW. It is marketed that way too. And no need to PADI-bash, PADI did not invent the course.
    I fault the integrity of the students and of the instructor, who did not follow standards. Being in an area where it is hard to dive is not an excuse to cheat.
     
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  3. Landau

    Landau Divemaster

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    Yes - we did 2 hour lecture + 1 hour pool sessions nights in a row then 2 "Open Water dives" in a local creek with a Maximum depth of maybe 20 feet ( and a water temperature of about 36 degrees F / 2 degrees C - I remember that vividly) on Saturday and 2 boat dives in the much warmer ocean on Sunday.
     
  4. lowwall

    lowwall Contributor

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    Yikes. I guess your shop (?) was on the cutting edge of modern scuba instruction :)

    Did you see any trout?
     
  5. napDiver

    napDiver ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I actually got specific cert cards so I would never be denied. If I went somewhere and I wanted to dive it, I'd be super pissed if I was put into a class instead of enjoying the dive.

    I've seen rescue divers that don't know how to dump air out of their BCD on a high current 100ft wreck (no penetration). I literally swam over and rotated them slightly and elevate their butt up to pull their kidney dump. I've also seen people with 200+ dives that look like an OW student bouncing up and down the water column. So I get the issues of liability that operators face...
     
  6. rhwestfall

    rhwestfall Woof! ScubaBoard Sponsor

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    Wife has been certified OW for 30 years. Has dove cold, deep, dark, night, low vis in our home waters of the Great Lakes, and deep and night in Bonaire. Dive ops have given here a bit of a pass, but usually we are restricted. She also is self restricting... Daughter causes it too as a newish OW diver. Thing is, she is a better diver than her mother...

    Need them to do AOW...
     
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  7. Ucarkus

    Ucarkus Contributor

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    I do not get the logic of restricting people to dive as you can often stay within own certification limit. I worked for an operator where you do a check dive (first 5 mins of your dive 1), you will be assessed on NB, removing mask and AAS usage. If you can demonstrate needed skills, you will be diving independently with your buddy regardless of your c-card level but you must stick with the corresponding depth limits. Diving with the guide costs normally but inexperienced divers with < 25 logged dives would be diving free of charge with the guide. If you are an instructor as guest, you are exempt of the check dive. If you fail the check dive, either remedies such as refresher course offered or you pay a small fee to dive with the guide until guide gives thumbs up.
    I think this is the fairest system I know.
     
  8. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board Staff Member

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    It has a lot to do with local factors. There's a wreck we dive in Roatan called the Aguila. It's over 100 ft to the sand, but boy oh boy, it must be the easiest wreck to dive. It's no comparison to the Speigle Grove, which while a bit deeper, often has currents that often make diving it a bit sketchy. I would take a rank noob to the former, but I want to see a lot more expertise and strength on the latter.

    But hey, if you want to dive a site or wreck with no restrictions: take your own boat and have at it.
     
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  9. Ucarkus

    Ucarkus Contributor

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    Ok fair point I forgot to mention, of course I forgot to mention that there are several boats chartering so, you if you are SD or OWD qualified, you will end up on a boat that charters to shallow/easy dive sites.
     
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  10. chillyinCanada

    chillyinCanada ScubaBoard Supporter Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

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    You've got that right, Chairman. The Aquila is a ridiculously easy dive and the visibility is incredible! Gin clear as they say.
     
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