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Herd Immunity in Indonesia

Discussion in 'Indonesia' started by SeaWarden, Sep 10, 2020.

Would you travel to Indonesia after they have accomplished herd immunity?

  1. Yes

    23 vote(s)
    37.7%
  2. No

    38 vote(s)
    62.3%
  1. Indah

    Indah Manta Ray

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    I think this is as true as the earth is flat.
     
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  2. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    That sounds about right.
     
  3. DownUnderwater Dan

    DownUnderwater Dan Barracuda

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    Location: Indonesia
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    I don't want to argue about covid. But another perspective to her story would be some of the older generation's stubbornness to accept science & facts
     
  4. DownUnderwater Dan

    DownUnderwater Dan Barracuda

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    He is correct. In some countries like Italy & Belgium, people that weren't even tested were counted as covid deaths. And it's on the record that Italy tallied anyone who died in a hospital where covid-19 patients were, as covid-19 deaths. Also, in reference to it's Covid-19 death toll:

    Dr. Walter Ricciardi, the scientific adviser to Italy’s health minister, said last week.

    “Only 12 percent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus,” he said in a press conference.
     
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  5. ToneNQ

    ToneNQ ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Hand hygiene is more important now than with typhoid, which mainly required hand washing after toileting. And with so many asymptomatic people, what is the likelihood a few more Typhoid Mary characters that refuse to observe basic hygiene. Typhoid Mary's character flaw of lacking concern for others is actually quite common, ie no peanuts on the bar anymore.

    The challenge is the modern obsession with hygiene is the abundance of stainless steel and plastic. The SARS-COV-2 has its shortest life on porous surfaces, and lives much longer on the easily cleaned surfaces now preferred for anything high contact. Handrails, bus/train seats, buttons, push panels on doors. Rub your nose, cough into your hand, everything you touch for quite some time will have live virus on it.
     
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  6. DownUnderwater Dan

    DownUnderwater Dan Barracuda

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    Location: Indonesia
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    And yes!

    This whole period of handling covid-19, I have continually observed public toilets are much the same or even worse in terms of hygiene. You can have 100% compliance from society in covid-19 prevention measures, but the most simple overlooked things like not having covid-19 controls in toilets where the possibility of 100's of people could be infected because it is a toilet/bathroom. Bodily fluids, droplets in the air, taps being handled, no soap and no towels or driers,... It's an ideal place for covid-19 to infect others
     
  7. SeaWarden

    SeaWarden Nassau Grouper

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Singapore
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    Singapore will never get to that stage. We have very strict border controls, and testing in every part of the 40 square-mile country.
     
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  8. HKGuns

    HKGuns Manta Ray

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  9. chillyinCanada

    chillyinCanada ScubaBoard Supporter Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Except in this discussion, it seems to be some younger folk having that problem. :wink:
     
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  10. DownUnderwater Dan

    DownUnderwater Dan Barracuda

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: Indonesia
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    Yes, I thought so.

    But if "herd immunity" measures pre-existing T-cell "immunity", it would be a different story as it's being proven that a great deal of covid infected don't even produce antibodies to covid. So it could be argued that a great deal of recovered aren't immuned to covid, based on not producing covid antibodies

    As long as T-cell immunity is overlooked by governments across the world, the severe restrictions will continue, with "herd immunity" years away, if ever
     

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