Individual Rights, and other Myths

[cwhite6]

Sorry, I confused you with the Slidell guy. All y'all southerners sound the same to our delicate Yankee ears.

No thanks on the dive. I trust you wouldn't make me squeal like a pig, but that cold water sure would nowadays. I haven't dove Redondo in years, but it's nice and easy when the seas are flat (except for the cold part). Have a great time!

Thanks, I am looking forward to it. I did Casino Point on Sunday and it was awesome!

 

[Mark Michaud SELAUSAR]

That's OK. All us Californians believe all southerners to be characters from Deliverance.

And in that, you are right.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Sorry, unlike the certainty of a Mt. Rainier eruption occurring soon that will make you wish you got that PADI Lava Diver cert, there's no truth to California becoming the next Atlantis.

"Will California fall into the ocean?"
BSL FAQ: California and earthquakes

Oh ye of little knowledge ... Mt. Rainier won't be spewing lava down into the Sound ... it'll be a 30-foot wall of mud ... and I have plenty of practice diving in mud ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Mike Boswell]

Geez... you try to start a good fight, and they end up holding hands and singing Kumbayah.

(Sigh) ... I miss the good old days on Scubaboard.

 

[Mark Michaud SELAUSAR]

"In 1915, the creosote plant burned to the ground killing 55 workers and 3 firefighters.The plant was rebuilt on Bayou Lane, closer to a water source and closer to a fire station. Eventually, creosote polluted the bayou which was a source of drinking water for many of Slidell's residents. The creosote plant was abandoned in 1986 and then became an EPA Superfund site. The canal was dredged and waste incinerated until completion of the cleanup in 1996. At that time a boat launch was built and Heritage Park was constructed on the former site."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slidell_(LA)

Sounds lovely.

"In 2005, Slidell suffered extensive damage from the effects of Hurricane Katrina as the storm made final landfall in St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana and Hancock County, Mississippi on the morning of August 29. The municipal area is located about 2 miles (3.2 km) inland and parts of the city experienced a storm surge in excess of 10 feet (3.0 m). The unincorporated areas of St. Tammany Parish, to the south and east, often commonly referred to as Slidell, experienced a storm surge of 13–16 feet (4.0–4.9 m)"

Not bad, you can dive just by standing in the street. In CA we actually have to drive to the ocean, it doesn't come to us.

We built ships for WW1 here and poles, hence the creosote plant. We all have stuff that costs taxpayers. At the time it was built we may have supplied the power poles for a good part of the country because that was the standard back then. Katrina was indeed a bad one and I hope no one on here ever has to live through that. I had 7' of water in my house and 2' of mud. It looked like we were invaded and then the invaders just up and left. I spent 16 days, sometimes hanging from a crane, cutting our roads open just to get power back and help in. I lost nearly everything I owned and couldn't salvage much because I was out protecting and uncovering everyone else's stuff. It is the price we pay for serving the public. It was something you couldn't imagine unless you were here. It was really a tsunami (huge tidal wave) pushed by a slow moving storm. Here is a post from our city website: Although the City of Slidell was hit hard by Hurricane Katrina, we have been blessed by the support we are receiving from across the country. The Weather Service reports that Slidell had sustained winds of 176 mph and gusts of 190+ mph during Hurricane Katrina. In addition, Slidell was hit by a 23' - 26' storm surge that devastated much of the city. This has been very devastating for everyone, but we are making great progress thanks to the many city workers, police officers, firefighters, military troops, citizens and volunteers who have worked so hard these last few weeks

Anyhow.....back to the show.

 

[Mike Boswell]

From your perspective, I guess I'm "childish, arrogant and wrong," as I believe anyone has the right to dive. The smart ones will receive training and will dive within their safety envelope. As long as it unregulated, that's it and I for one don't support sport diver regulation.

Wayne, somehow I don't see you as promoting reckless, stupid diving. Just the opposite, in fact. So I'm guessing you just misread my post.

 

[DaleC]

The problem with demanding that everyone act responsibly is in deciding who's definition of responsible you accept as the norm.

I think you may find that a lot of the "rules" we find in SCUBA are actually derived to protect people who do not want to accept personal responsibility.

 

[TMHeimer]

The problem with demanding that everyone act responsibly is in deciding who's definition of responsible you accept as the norm.





I think you may find that a lot of the "rules" we find in SCUBA are actually derived to protect people who do not want to accept personal responsibility.

Who's definition?---Another very good way to describe the futility of this discussion.



I also agree about the SCUBA rules. But I think most agree that there aren't many rules at all, no? If by rules you mean like "don't go below 130' recreationally". I assume you don't mean laws. It's a question of whether it's ethically right to break these rules. Much like it's a rule not to stand by a flagpole during lightning, but are you wrong for doing so? If so, should that be regulated by law?

 

[griffon]

I normally can resist forum bait, but... The only thing I have to say about this is "rugged individualists" make my insurance to high, in part by usually not having any.

 

[DaleC]

Not really.
People who make your ( health) insurance costs go up are usually uninspired, do nothing types who eat a poor diet, choose not to exercise and have no far reaching goals to inspire them. They sit on the sidelines most of their lives complaining about the active rugged individuals and develop diabetes, high blood pressure related strokes and coronary heart disease. Those "chronic" conditions cost quite a lot to treat.
If anything, the rugged individual usually suffers from a tramautic, acute, life ending injury that, in contrast, cost very little.