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Instantly out of air!

Discussion in 'Near Misses and Lessons Learned' started by johnmckenzie, Aug 7, 2013.

  1. Max Speed

    Max Speed Solo Diver

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    I always have at least one reg with a bolt snap. Not a problem. So far....:confused:

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  2. Sevenrider860

    Sevenrider860 ScubaBoard Sponsor ScubaBoard Sponsor

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    Keep doing it the way you were taught. As you get more dives and more experience you will see where these comments are coming from. As you get more experience, keep count of how many times you and your buddy are separated enough to make that calm OOA exercise you were taught a bit more of a challenge.

    Take the PADI Rescue Diver course and learn that a panicked OOA diver is likely going to grab the regulator you are actually breathing from rather than grab the octopus you are exposing in that triangle between your ribs and chin. You have already witnessed that type of panic diver behavior. Regardless how embarrassed the diver was afterwards, which regulator did she grab from the instructor when she needed air? If that instructor did not want to "muck about with his own octo"...what was he going to breathe from after the lady snatched the working regulator out of his mouth?

    As you get even more experience you may think about taking some PADI/DSAT Tec Courses. Guess what you learn? You will practice air drills that are different from your basic Open Water course. You keep a regulator on short hose under your chin and YOU offer the regulator you are breathing from to that OOA diver and you are prepared with your own regulator should the one you are breathing get snatched from your mouth by a panicked diver.

    There is nothing wrong continuing to practice what you were taught. As you can tell from the original post, what you were taught works. With more dive experience you will see more things and situations where what you were taught is not what always happens and your thinking may evolve.
     
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  3. Nwcid

    Nwcid Barracuda

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    I am not disagreeing with you at all here but you fail to account for one MAJOR thing, human nature and the OP's situation.

    How often do you dive with the SAME buddy every time? For me 90% of my dives are with the same buddy, my GF. The way the OP writes I get the impression that his dive buddy is his wife. Not that it is an excuse but when you dive with the same partner a lot you get complacent. I know my partners gear, she knows mine because we have the same gear. If I am diving with a new buddy I go though a much better buddy check.

    I also agree with Sevenrider.



     
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  4. SPARKMEL

    SPARKMEL Angel Fish

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    Hi Nwcid, no problems good discussion. i passed my OW with my 11 year old son who is a fantasic diver according to the instructors and he will be my buddy when we dive. Being taught together is a real bonus having the same instructors and skills. I have never dived with anyone else and would feel very nervous doing so after hearing some of the stories on here. I agree with you human nature how someone will react in that situation can be life or death. I can only dive to 12 m with my son which is fine for me so i can gain experience.
    Cheers for the comments and happy diving.

    ---------- Post added August 9th, 2013 at 08:26 PM ----------

    Hi Sevenrider, Thanks very much for your reply, it is good sound advise that i will take onboard. After a few more confidence boosting dives as you suggested my plan was to progress and take other courses. My 11 year old makes me even more cautious diving as i would never live with myself if anything happened to him. But the instructor made him fully understand that he is responsible for me. as i said to nwcid i am limited to 12 M buddying with my son which i am happy with.
    Thanks for the advise....
     
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  5. Adobo

    Adobo DIR Practitioner

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    If you look at the OP's credentials, he seems to be pretty experienced. I was hoping to get some clarity as to what they did as far as predive checks. I know that in many of the boats I have been on while on vacation, very few of the seemingly experienced divers where doing comprehensive pre-dive checks.

    On dive boats, I have seen divers who use octos. Other divers use integrated air 2 type devices. And yet other divers use a back up regulator that is secured via bungy under their chin.

    Some divers will donate an octo to an out of air buddy. Other divers will donate their primary reg to an out of air buddy. There are several different ways that mainstream scuba agencies are teaching as to how configure regulators.

    Here is the reality. When an out of gas diver is coming at you, he might signal that he is out of gas and reach for your octo. Or he might signal that he is out of gas and pull the reg out of your mouth. Or he might just pull the reg out of your mouth without telling you he is out of gas.

    It might be worthwhile to consider that when fit hits the shan, the scenario might not unfold the way they did in a controlled environment like a class.

    Most people i dive with have qualifications from multiple agencies. And they are smart people - some have chosen to migrate away from the configuration they were taught in open water class. It's likely that at some point in your dive career, you will wind up in diving communities that have divers using various gear configurations.

    The point of my original response to you is this - you mentioned that going to your octo would not be ideal if you found yourself somehow out of gas. And the reason you gave was that going to your octo required some mucking around. If indeed going to your octo is not as easy for you as it should be, then what I am pointing out is that there are many situations where you have to go to your octo in a hurry and so you better have it set up such that it is real easy to deploy and use.
     
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  6. TSandM

    TSandM Missed and loved by many. Rest in Peace

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    I'm pretty sure that if my regulator suddenly stopped delivering gas, I'd signal my buddy and share gas with him. THEN I might try my backup . . . but I wouldn't want to waste time on a first stage problem fiddling with my own backup reg, when my buddy is right there and has gas to share with me. Once I have something to breathe, I have a lot of time to sort the issue out. If I try my own backup and it doesn't work, either, then I've wasted that many more seconds of my breath-holding time and I'm no better off for having done so -- not to mention the fact that I probably stopped swimming while playing with this, so my buddy may be farther away than he was when the problem occurred.

    It's like screwing up a gas switch . . . easiest solution is to go on buddy's gas and then sort the issue out.
     
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  7. racerx_

    racerx_ Barracuda

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    Totally agree with TSandM.. Going to your backup first seems like a good way to induce panic if that's not working either..
     
  8. DivemasterDennis

    DivemasterDennis DivemasterDennis ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Good report and good tip for proper maintenance of equipment at all times, not just during the dry periods between dives. Debbie and I include zip lock baggies to cover regs when we are out on shore dive excursions, and both rinse and purge regs before and after each dive. It doesn't take much material to interfere with a reg's operation. I have seen sand caked regulators on the shore of our local reservoir on some training weekends, and am surprised at the careless attitude some can have toward these important pieces of equipment.
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