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Padipro

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I've got a question for the Diving Doc's on the board. I know you can't make a diagnosis over the internet but I would really like to know what you think about this.

Back in September I went on a weeks vacation to Provo. I made 2 dives a day for the first 3 days, took the 4th day off, made 2 AM dives and one PM dive on the 5th day and one AM dive on the 6th day. All dives were done with a computer and within the NDL displayed. I made safty stops after every dive and even extended the stops from 3 minutes to between 6 to 10 minutes just to be safe. I was out of the water on the last dive of the vacation about 28 hours prior to my flight home. Somewhere between the 5th and 6th day I noticed a very mild ache in my left shoulder. I didn't think anything about it at first because it was so minor that I barely even noticed it and because I had followed all the rules, made my safty stops, took a day off of diving in the middle of the week and didn't blow my NDL's. There was no numbness, no tingling, no loss of strength, no skin rash nothing that would tell you it could be DCS other then a very mild ache. My first thought was that I had pulled something after carrying all that heavy gear for the last 5 days and I didn't give it another thought.

After I got home and the pain in my shoulder didn't go away I began to think maybe something was wrong. I called DAN and told them my story. They suggested that I go see a Hyperbaraic specialist at the local hospital just to be safe.

I went to the local hospital that DAN recommended and spoke with the Doctor there. After telling him the same story and a quick nero exam and some Xrays of my shoulder his exact words to me were "If you had told me the same story but said the pain started after you finished cleaning out your garage I'd tell you to go home, take 2 aspirin, and put a heating pad on it but sense you say you noticed it shortly after a dive I can't tell you for sure one way or the other". He told me that sense it had been about a week since I first noticed the pain, and that seeing as it was such a mild case, if in deed it even was DCS, that he was going to leave it up to me whether or not to take a chamber ride.

I desided to take the ride figuring that it couldn't hurt and if I was bent it could only help. 5 hours later as I stepped out of the chamber I was feeling good. The pain seemed to have subsided and the Doc was pleased at the out-come.

It's been a few weeks sense the chamber dive and the pain in my shoulder has returned. I remember the Doc telling me that might happen as the swelling might come back for a week or so, but not this long. I still have full strength in my arm it's just that my shoulder joint hurts and now, sometimes, I think I might feel a little tingling although it's hard to tell if it's real or just in my mind because I'm thinking about it all the time.

What should I do? I've never had DCS before, nor do I know of anyone who has, so I don't know what I should and shouldn't be feeling, or how long all this takes to heal. It it common for DCS to return if this was in fact DCS to begin with? Should I go back for another chamber ride? The reason I'm not so sure that some of this isn't just all in my head is that if I'm preoccupied with something, like work, I don't even notice anything but a slight pain in my shoulder.

Please give me some advise as I have no idea what's going on and I'm really starting to get worried.

Thanks,

Scott
 
Try taking ASA (aspirin) for a few days and supplement with essential fatty acids. The specific items are fish oil concentrate and primrose oil concentrate(health store). Don't skimp, take 2 aspirin and several caps of each oil per day. All three of these substances are known to ease pain, reduce inflammation and improve blood flow. If that doesn't work your doctor may elect to inject cortisone or even prescribe physical therapy. Don't let the affected area rest too much, do some movement or massage within the limits of pain. Soak in a hot bath (not shower).

I'm back, busy with stuff. You asked 'what's going on?' Well, that's hard to say. There is a juxtaposition with diving and pain plus the results of baro treatment. Not exactly a smoking gun but suggests that you experienced a very mild case of bends. Lingering effects can occur which are related to swelling and debris. If there is a small clot or other dead cells it could attract the attention of the immune system causing arthritis like symptoms. The supplements should take care of it.

Disclosure: not a 'diving doc' but I've had experience with the bends; and if I was a doc I would probably call it 'DCS' (G).
 
This thread leads me to ask the following question:

If one has joint pain, or maybe muscle pain, totally unrelated to DCS, would taking the pressure chamber therapy reduce or diminish the pain at least temporarily?
 
SCUBA,

I think it would because I was diagnosed with Ostio Arthritis in my right shoulder several years ago and have suffered from mild pain in that joint which has caused me to change the way I sleep. The pain would become so great during the night if I fell asleep in a particular position that it would actually wake me up. Sense the chamber treatment I have had what seems to be a full recovery from that ailment and have no such pain in the right shoulder what so ever.

I talked with the Doctor that treated me in the chamber since my first post and he seems to be of the opinion that what I'm suffering from is most likely not DCS but something caused by the mild case of DCS I likely suffered from in the first place. He has suggested that I see my personal Doctor and have him check it out with the full knowlage of the fact that I most likely had a mild hit in the left shoulder area and see what he suggests.

pescador775,

I will try the aspirin and the other supplements to see if that helps along with whatever treatment my Doctor suggests.

Thanks,

Scott
 
Tell your physician that you are taking the supplements since they are 'blood thinners'. I discovered the particular property of fish oil (EPA) to sooth rheumatic pain in 1990. Finally, after being a voice in the wilderness, the anti arthritic properties were reported in the JAMA about two-three years ago. It is my theory that this substance can also remediate or forestall some types of delayed, progressive damage, post bends but I won't be holding my breath for confirmation. Now, there are various sources of EPA, an essential fatty acid; however, the vegetable based products like flax seed oil do not appear to be effective so don't substitute. Same with primrose oil (GLA), do not substitute. Good luck.

Pesky
 
I posted this question in the Diving Medicine thread but should have posted it here. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated.


I've got a question for the Diving Doc's on the board. I know you can't make a diagnosis over the internet but I would really like to know what you think about this.

Back in September I went on a weeks vacation to Provo. I made 2 dives a day for the first 3 days, took the 4th day off, made 2 AM dives and one PM dive on the 5th day and one AM dive on the 6th day. All dives were done with a computer and within the NDL displayed. I made safty stops after every dive and even extended the stops from 3 minutes to between 6 to 10 minutes just to be safe. I was out of the water on the last dive of the vacation about 28 hours prior to my flight home. Somewhere between the 5th and 6th day I noticed a very mild ache in my left shoulder. I didn't think anything about it at first because it was so minor that I barely even noticed it and because I had followed all the rules, made my safty stops, took a day off of diving in the middle of the week and didn't blow my NDL's. There was no numbness, no tingling, no loss of strength, no skin rash nothing that would tell you it could be DCS other then a very mild ache. My first thought was that I had pulled something after carrying all that heavy gear for the last 5 days and I didn't give it another thought.

After I got home and the pain in my shoulder didn't go away I began to think maybe something was wrong. I called DAN and told them my story. They suggested that I go see a Hyperbaraic specialist at the local hospital just to be safe.

I went to the local hospital that DAN recommended and spoke with the Doctor there. After telling him the same story and a quick nero exam and some Xrays of my shoulder his exact words to me were "If you had told me the same story but said the pain started after you finished cleaning out your garage I'd tell you to go home, take 2 aspirin, and put a heating pad on it but sense you say you noticed it shortly after a dive I can't tell you for sure one way or the other". He told me that sense it had been about a week since I first noticed the pain, and that seeing as it was such a mild case, if in deed it even was DCS, that he was going to leave it up to me whether or not to take a chamber ride.

I desided to take the ride figuring that it couldn't hurt and if I was bent it could only help. 5 hours later as I stepped out of the chamber I was feeling good. The pain seemed to have subsided and the Doc was pleased at the out-come.

It's been a few weeks sense the chamber dive and the pain in my shoulder has returned. I remember the Doc telling me that might happen as the swelling might come back for a week or so, but not this long. I still have full strength in my arm it's just that my shoulder joint hurts and now, sometimes, I think I might feel a little tingling although it's hard to tell if it's real or just in my mind because I'm thinking about it all the time.

What should I do? I've never had DCS before, nor do I know of anyone who has, so I don't know what I should and shouldn't be feeling, or how long all this takes to heal. It it common for DCS to return if this was in fact DCS to begin with? Should I go back for another chamber ride? The reason I'm not so sure that some of this isn't just all in my head is that if I'm preoccupied with something, like work, I don't even notice anything but a slight pain in my shoulder.

Please give me some advise as I have no idea what's going on and I'm really starting to get worried.

Thanks,

Scott
 
Dear Scott:

This does not sound like a probelm that arose from gas phase formation. The lack of any pain when on the airplane would make me suspecious; this is usually a bad time for divers.

The appearance several days latter would really argue against a separated gas phase problem. More likely you have some type of sprain (or a pinched nerve) that needs to be addressed.

Swelling can respond to hyperbaric oxygen and I do not doubt that you felt better for a while.

Dr Deco:doctor:
On vacation this week.
 
Thanks Doc.
 
Padipro once bubbled...
I posted this question in the Diving Medicine thread but should have posted it here. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated.


I've got a question for the Diving Doc's on the board. I know you can't make a diagnosis over the internet but I would really like to know what you think about this.

Back in September I went on a weeks vacation to Provo. I made <snip long post>

Thanks,

Scott

Scott,

I'm not a doctor but what you describe sounds to me like it might be a swelling in the rotator cuff. I had similar symptoms after falling 10m or so from a mountain-side and landing badly on my arm (I actually suspect that I dislocated the shoulder but since the landing knocked me out I can't be sure). Anyway a physical therapist used an ultrasound device to reduce the swelling and a combination of therapy and treatment healed it more or less fully in about a year.

My case was obviously different than yours but since I recognised the symptoms you mentioned I wouldn't rule out some sort of strain injury causing swelling in/on the rotator cuff. You might want to run this by your doctor for a professional opinion.

R..
 
Thanks Guys,

I've got an appointment to see my Dr. tomorrow and will deffinately talk to him about all of this.

Thanks for all your input.

Scott
 

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