New Zealand: One student dead, one missing at Lake Pupuke

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Yesterday's tragedy is not the first on Lake Pupuke. Last December Raphael Alualu, 16, drowned there after jumping from a cliff in Smales Quarry, and in January 2008 Tevaka Papa, 20, drowned. His body was found 50m from shore and 8m below the surface.
In 2004, Sione Moala died after diving off a cliff.
 
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Yesterday's tragedy is not the first on Lake Pupuke. Last December Raphael Alualu, 16, drowned there after jumping from a cliff in Smales Quarry, and in January 2008 Tevaka Papa, 20, drowned. His body was found 50m from shore and 8m below the surface.
In 2004, Sione Moala died after diving off a cliff.
Yes, those sort of incidents can be all too common. We lose a large number in Texas every year, people who think that since they do ok in a swimming pool then they should be able to swim to an island in a lake, jump off of a cliff or bridge, float on an inflatable raft they got on sale for a dollar, etc. One man recently drowned after he was knocked off balance by a wave while standing knee deep at the shore of a lake. My own family is bad about swimming in shallow waters of murky lakes regardless of how much I try to warn them, but I was bad when I was younger too.
 
The people concerned were close to completing SSI quals --either master or AAW courses If the missing divers were attempting the deep dive for AAW it would have been a night dive from 40 feet and zero vis at 70 that is for certain. given I had very limited vis at 30 feet on sunday
How about citing your sources please. Heck maybe I have overlooked it in here. But you are the second to make the assertion so i expect sources exist. Links will do just fine. Or are you speculating? If you are then just voice that.
 
The amazing thing is they were taking 4-5 month training course, which I've never heard of here. Also if the accident happened here the company would be super defensive as a big lawsuit would be almost inevitable here. I suspect the legal system in NZ is not as predatorial as here.

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[h=1]Second diver still missing in lake tragedy[/h]Published: 9:46AM Saturday July 16, 2011 Source: ONE News

There's still no sign of a second dive student believed to have died in an accident on an Auckland lake.


Today conditions on Lake Pupuke on the North Shore were described as calm and favourable. The specialist police dive team continued to search the lake but they say they are no closer in working out what went wrong.

One diver is dead and another is missing after an excursion run by South Auckland dive school, Helix Training, ran into trouble at the lake yesterday.

The man who died has been formally identified as 37-year-old Aucklander Tyrone North. His body was recovered yesterday evening from the lake.

The family of the missing man are currently keeping a lakeside vigil.

But there's still no word from police on exactly how the tragedy happened.

"It really can only be an out of air emergency or some kind of equipment failure. To have two people die in this situation is very, very rare and certainly with instructors there it's even more rare," said instructor Malcolm Kidd, from Dive Centre.

Police said yesterday that a party of eight divers, understood to be five students and three instructors, were in the lake.

Five members of the group came up to shore about 1.45pm and when they realised three people were unaccounted for they raised the alarm.

The third diver was rescued with moderate injuries, and was transported to North Shore Hospital in a stable condition. The diver was later released.

A police dive squad from Wellington arrived last night to join the search for the diver who is still missing.

Underwater conditions in Lake Pupuke can vary dramatically. At different depths the water temperature and clarity change significantly, and there's a lot of rubbish, weed and mud, which can affect visibility.



"It's probably not that both of them have had the same problem at the same time. It's one's had the problem, the other's gone to help, and the procedures have broken down and that hasn't worked," suggested Kidd.

The operation resumed this morning with sonar equipment being used to search for the diver in depths of more than 30 metres. A barge has been set up about 100 metres from shore on the southern side of Lake Pupuke to operate the equipment working in slow sweeps.

"Because they're working in fairly deep water, from 35 to 50 metres, they're using sonar equipment to identify anyone on the bottom of the lake bed," said Detective Senior Sergeant Kim Libby.

Detective Senior Sergeant Kim Libby said weather and water conditions are good so the sonar will achieve optimum performance.

He said the lake is up to 50 metres deep and navy divers will go down only if the sonar detects anything.

An autopsy on Tyrone North's body will be undertaken today.

The name of the missing diver has yet to be released.

Dive school "shattered"


Meanwhile, the diver training company involved in the tragedy said it is shattered.

The divers were attending an Adventure Education course run by East Tamaki dive school, Helix Training.

"This is a very difficult time for everyone involved. I would like to offer our sincere condolences to the friends and family of everyone involved," said Sharon Sutherland from Helix Training.

Sutherland said the focus for both it and Adventure Education are supporting the friends and family of the two divers.

The dive school has since cancelled its courses for the next week.

The divers were nearing the end of their four and five month programmes and were working towards their tertiary diving qualifications.

Helix Training has cancelled its courses in Auckland next week, but will keep its office open to offer support to all involved.
 
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How about citing your sources please. Heck maybe I have overlooked it in here. But you are the second to make the assertion so i expect sources exist. Links will do just fine. Or are you speculating? If you are then just voice that.
No I'm not speculating at all,Far from it .-look up the training organisations website.
The dive courses are aimed directly at those looking to become professional divers in one way or another. The divers were near completion of the courses.
As far as information regarding dive conditions is concerned. 1) I dove that spot on sunday as I origonally posted 2) weather condition deteriorated between sunday and friday.3) my dive buddy and I "thumbed" a dive there the day before because of the conditions. (in fairness because we dive for fun not for a job)
4)in summer/calmer conditions I went out/down to the deep part of the lake with a buddy/instructor. He showed me exactly how easy it was to stir up sediment at that depth and how quickly it turns into basicly blackout conditions and for that matter how easy it is to get totally lost/diorientated. You literally have no idea what way is up and have no references of any sortas to even which way to swim. It was the first time I've encountered a smb used to get a point of reference.
It was still warm yet we went through 2 diustinct thermoclyns as we went deeper.
Just to explain --lake pupuke is an unusual place to dive when in the deep part. There isn't a "hard " bottom as such.It just gets progressively darker as you go deeper into what is basicly ever thickening mud. Also the thermoclyns are "sharp" ie the temps dont change gradually its first one temp then another when in the deep part this is also the next "lkayer" of sediment.so you can in ideal conditions actually see the thicker "mud" below you and if your fins dip into it you stir it up pretty fast
 
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Excerpting from that link...

5 Insts, 3 students, advanced training, all students injured or dead, don't even know if an Inst was in the water at the time. Not much to go on, not much to learn specifically.

Where do you get that information from? To clarify -There were 8 divers in the water.There were 3 instructors and 5 students. 5 divers came to the surface and shortly after raised the alarm. During that time one more diver surfaced in hypothermic condition and was taken to hospital for treatment.

Now the third diver has been recovered in the "deep" part of the lake
The body of the diver missing in an Auckland lake has been found.

The diver, was found in deep water in Lake Pupuke in North Shore about 9am.

His body was found at a depth of 53 metres, about 130 metres from the shore, on the southern side of the lake.
 
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I too am surprised that:

1. Two advanced students perished in a class of five advanced students accompanied by three instructors; and
2. Two students appear to have not been attended by an instructor or the instructor lost contact with them and contact was not reestablished.

This is pure speculation, but I would pay attention to the bottom gas - two advanced students should have been able to handle routine problems.
 
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