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Thank you to everyone who replied to my post (even those of you who verbally kicked me in the safety sausage) because now I have enough info to form my own opinion instead of making assumptions based on the opinions of others. And thanks for the welcome message, L Orans.
Show up with a fleet of books purchased from Ebay and other sources, so that you meet the requirements, but not from his shop, and then see what his reaction is.
I think the shop owner WANTS his students to do that (as an alternative to borrowing his materials, which is how it was done before. Not the important ones like Instructor Manual and Wheel, and such, but the others like EFR videos and Business of Diving).
Doctors, lawyers, and other professionals commonly keep a library of all the books that were required during their respective educations....Maybe its time for diving professionals to follow suit.
This is different. But the American Medical Association does not mandate that all doctors, including ophthalmologists, buy expensive books on dermatology. And not every new lawyer is required to buy a complete Pacific Reporter to get a license to practice law. There is no regulation saying 10 layers in one office cant share one, or that a lawyer cant use the set at the library in order to save money.
If this dive center owner does not like the "PADI way" he should probably switch agencies himself. Why would he stay with PADI if he feels it encourages the "screwing" of his students.
That is exactly what he said he wants to do. But I am printing this entire discussion and mailing it to him. Maybe some of his info WAS wrong. (Although not by much, because I looked at the link to the PADI website, and the list there is pretty close to the one I saw before, except that it does not include EFR materials and a couple of other things.)
I looked at the list from the PADI website (below), and added the prices in Thai Baht. If you add it all up and covert to US Dollars (38 Baht to the Dollar), add in the cost of required EFR materials (10,000 Baht), it comes to $1050. Less than I had been told, but still a big pile of moolah.
What materials are needed?*
PADI Instructor Manual 10,000 Baht
Instructor Candidate Workbook 3000
Open Water Lesson Planning Slate 600
Confined Water Lesson Preparation Slate 600
Open Water Aquatic Cue Cards 1400
Confined Water Aquatic Cue Cards 1800
The Law and the Diving Professional 1500
The Business of Diving 1400
The Best of The Undersea Journal 1700
Log Book
Peak Performance Buoyancy Specialty Instructor Outline 700
Project AWARE Specialty Program Instructor Outline 700
Aware Coral Reef Conservation Specialty Instructor Outline 700
Open Water Diver Manual 2000
Recreational Dive Planner, The Wheel and table, and Instructions for Use Booklets
Open Water Diver Quizzes and Exam booklet 400
Adventures in Diving Manual 1500
Rescue Diver Manual 1600
Rescue Diver Final Exams Booklet 300
Divemaster Manual 1500
Divemaster Final Exams Booklet 400
My problem here is that PADI insists that I cant use a blank slate and write on it what I want, that I must have their slates and cue cards, that I must buy Divemaster exams even if I dont teach the class, that if two instructors teach a Divemaster class together, they must both have copies, etc. I think it is a decision for individuals to make as needed.
1. AGREE, MUST HAVE
* PADI Instructor Manual (well, obviously)
2. AGREE, MUST HAVE
* Instructor Candidate Workbook (makes sense)
3. AGREE, THIS SHOULD NOT BE A REQUIREMENT
* Open Water Lesson Planning Slate (a blank slate would do just as well - the outline is in various manuals)
4. AGREE, THIS SHOULD NOT BE A REQUIREMENT
* Confined Water Lesson Preparation Slate (a blank slate would do just as well - the outline is in various manuals)
5. WHY NOT USE THOSE PROVIDED BY EMPLOYER, OR HAVE CHOICE TO CREATE OWN MATERIALS?
* Open Water Aquatic Cue Cards (ok, you will need them - or you plan just to teach aow and up, they come in pretty handy)
6. SAME THING HERE
* Confined Water Aquatic Cue Cards (ok, you will need them - or you plan just to teach aow and up, they come in pretty handy)
7. EXCELLENT POINT, WHY REQUIRE SAUDIS TO BUY THIS IF NOT JUST A MONEY GRAB?
* The Law and the Diving Professional (completely us-law based and therefore for many countries semi useless)
8. SO, IF I NEED IT ILL GET IT WHEN I NEED IT, BUT A REQUIREMENT?
* The Business of Diving (you will use that once or twice during your idc - on the other hand it is pretty much nonsense - youre just doing your idc at this point! as for serious biz advice better works come to mind - some good examples on coursepricing and stuff, again if you plan to become an independent instr or open your own shop)
9. SO WHY CANT I DECIDE IF I WANT TO BUY IT< OR GET IT FROM THE LIBRARY ON THE OCCASSIONS I MIGHT NEED IT?
* The Best of The Undersea Journal (well i never really got the value of that - again barely touched during idc)
10. I HOPE PADI ISNT SUGGESTING THE ONE I HAVE NOW ISNT GOD ENOUGH AND THAT I MUST BUY A NEW ONE FROM THEM.
* Log Book (u should have that since your first cert! since min. requrements for the idc exist it is your "proof")
11. AGREE THAT I SHOULD KNOW WHAT I TEACH, BUT WHY NOT LET ME BUY THIS IF AND WHEN I TEACH IT?
* Peak Performance Buoyancy Specialty Instructor Outline (for this and the following two outlines - you are automatically a specialty instr for the 3 after your idc, so one could argue you should know what you teach)
12. SAME THING
* Project AWARE Specialty Program Instructor Outline
13.SAME THING
* Aware Coral Reef Conservation Specialty Instructor Outline
14. NO PROBLEM HERE
* Open Water Diver Manual (you should have that from your owd course - gets referenced a bit)
15. CANT ARGUE WITH THIS REQUIREMENT
* Recreational Dive Planner, The Wheel,table &Erdp, and Instructions for Use Booklets (beside reviews you will need them for your exams - the e-rdp makes no sense to me)
16. ALL OF THIS IS OFTEN MAITAINED BY EMPLOYERS AND MOST INSTRUCTORS DONT NEED IT. THOSE WHO DO DONT NEED A REGULATION TELLING THEM THEY DO.
* Open Water Diver Quizzes and Exam booklet (usually at shops - but anyway - u look at 5 bucks)
* Adventures in Diving Manual (same as owd)
* Rescue Diver Manual (same as owd)
* Rescue Diver Final Exams Booklet (same as owd exams)
* Divemaster Manual (same as owd)
* Divemaster Final Exams Booklet same as owd exams)
Show up with a fleet of books purchased from Ebay and other sources, so that you meet the requirements, but not from his shop, and then see what his reaction is.
I think the shop owner WANTS his students to do that (as an alternative to borrowing his materials, which is how it was done before. Not the important ones like Instructor Manual and Wheel, and such, but the others like EFR videos and Business of Diving).
Doctors, lawyers, and other professionals commonly keep a library of all the books that were required during their respective educations....Maybe its time for diving professionals to follow suit.
This is different. But the American Medical Association does not mandate that all doctors, including ophthalmologists, buy expensive books on dermatology. And not every new lawyer is required to buy a complete Pacific Reporter to get a license to practice law. There is no regulation saying 10 layers in one office cant share one, or that a lawyer cant use the set at the library in order to save money.
If this dive center owner does not like the "PADI way" he should probably switch agencies himself. Why would he stay with PADI if he feels it encourages the "screwing" of his students.
That is exactly what he said he wants to do. But I am printing this entire discussion and mailing it to him. Maybe some of his info WAS wrong. (Although not by much, because I looked at the link to the PADI website, and the list there is pretty close to the one I saw before, except that it does not include EFR materials and a couple of other things.)
I looked at the list from the PADI website (below), and added the prices in Thai Baht. If you add it all up and covert to US Dollars (38 Baht to the Dollar), add in the cost of required EFR materials (10,000 Baht), it comes to $1050. Less than I had been told, but still a big pile of moolah.
What materials are needed?*
PADI Instructor Manual 10,000 Baht
Instructor Candidate Workbook 3000
Open Water Lesson Planning Slate 600
Confined Water Lesson Preparation Slate 600
Open Water Aquatic Cue Cards 1400
Confined Water Aquatic Cue Cards 1800
The Law and the Diving Professional 1500
The Business of Diving 1400
The Best of The Undersea Journal 1700
Log Book
Peak Performance Buoyancy Specialty Instructor Outline 700
Project AWARE Specialty Program Instructor Outline 700
Aware Coral Reef Conservation Specialty Instructor Outline 700
Open Water Diver Manual 2000
Recreational Dive Planner, The Wheel and table, and Instructions for Use Booklets
Open Water Diver Quizzes and Exam booklet 400
Adventures in Diving Manual 1500
Rescue Diver Manual 1600
Rescue Diver Final Exams Booklet 300
Divemaster Manual 1500
Divemaster Final Exams Booklet 400
My problem here is that PADI insists that I cant use a blank slate and write on it what I want, that I must have their slates and cue cards, that I must buy Divemaster exams even if I dont teach the class, that if two instructors teach a Divemaster class together, they must both have copies, etc. I think it is a decision for individuals to make as needed.
1. AGREE, MUST HAVE
* PADI Instructor Manual (well, obviously)
2. AGREE, MUST HAVE
* Instructor Candidate Workbook (makes sense)
3. AGREE, THIS SHOULD NOT BE A REQUIREMENT
* Open Water Lesson Planning Slate (a blank slate would do just as well - the outline is in various manuals)
4. AGREE, THIS SHOULD NOT BE A REQUIREMENT
* Confined Water Lesson Preparation Slate (a blank slate would do just as well - the outline is in various manuals)
5. WHY NOT USE THOSE PROVIDED BY EMPLOYER, OR HAVE CHOICE TO CREATE OWN MATERIALS?
* Open Water Aquatic Cue Cards (ok, you will need them - or you plan just to teach aow and up, they come in pretty handy)
6. SAME THING HERE
* Confined Water Aquatic Cue Cards (ok, you will need them - or you plan just to teach aow and up, they come in pretty handy)
7. EXCELLENT POINT, WHY REQUIRE SAUDIS TO BUY THIS IF NOT JUST A MONEY GRAB?
* The Law and the Diving Professional (completely us-law based and therefore for many countries semi useless)
8. SO, IF I NEED IT ILL GET IT WHEN I NEED IT, BUT A REQUIREMENT?
* The Business of Diving (you will use that once or twice during your idc - on the other hand it is pretty much nonsense - youre just doing your idc at this point! as for serious biz advice better works come to mind - some good examples on coursepricing and stuff, again if you plan to become an independent instr or open your own shop)
9. SO WHY CANT I DECIDE IF I WANT TO BUY IT< OR GET IT FROM THE LIBRARY ON THE OCCASSIONS I MIGHT NEED IT?
* The Best of The Undersea Journal (well i never really got the value of that - again barely touched during idc)
10. I HOPE PADI ISNT SUGGESTING THE ONE I HAVE NOW ISNT GOD ENOUGH AND THAT I MUST BUY A NEW ONE FROM THEM.
* Log Book (u should have that since your first cert! since min. requrements for the idc exist it is your "proof")
11. AGREE THAT I SHOULD KNOW WHAT I TEACH, BUT WHY NOT LET ME BUY THIS IF AND WHEN I TEACH IT?
* Peak Performance Buoyancy Specialty Instructor Outline (for this and the following two outlines - you are automatically a specialty instr for the 3 after your idc, so one could argue you should know what you teach)
12. SAME THING
* Project AWARE Specialty Program Instructor Outline
13.SAME THING
* Aware Coral Reef Conservation Specialty Instructor Outline
14. NO PROBLEM HERE
* Open Water Diver Manual (you should have that from your owd course - gets referenced a bit)
15. CANT ARGUE WITH THIS REQUIREMENT
* Recreational Dive Planner, The Wheel,table &Erdp, and Instructions for Use Booklets (beside reviews you will need them for your exams - the e-rdp makes no sense to me)
16. ALL OF THIS IS OFTEN MAITAINED BY EMPLOYERS AND MOST INSTRUCTORS DONT NEED IT. THOSE WHO DO DONT NEED A REGULATION TELLING THEM THEY DO.
* Open Water Diver Quizzes and Exam booklet (usually at shops - but anyway - u look at 5 bucks)
* Adventures in Diving Manual (same as owd)
* Rescue Diver Manual (same as owd)
* Rescue Diver Final Exams Booklet (same as owd exams)
* Divemaster Manual (same as owd)
* Divemaster Final Exams Booklet same as owd exams)
