It would seem to me that, as we gain experience and go through some minor glitches on dives, we should increase our capacity to tolerate issues underwater. I'm wondering what could cause an experienced (say, more than 200 lifetime dives) diver to become distressed enough to lose rational thought. Has anyone here (who meets those criteria) been through a panic event? What caused it, and what did you do?
Question Panic in the experienced diver?
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As close as I have ever came to panic...
During an Intro to Cave class I hyperventilated after aspirating water (it was the culmination of a series of problems that day- I should have turned the dive way before- and definitely would today). I was overbreathing my regulator and still could not get enough air. If the surface had been an option I might surely have bolted, but as it was it was I had to either get my breathing under control or die. I had the presence of mind to realize all this. My team mate frantically trying to help me was actually making it worse. I managed to give him a strong hold sign, centered myself and got my breathing under control. In a couple of minutes it was as if nothing had even happened. In the debriefing my instructor busted my chops for not keeping in trim during that episode. He had been playing the role of the lost buddy, watching us from off in the distance, when it happened and had no clue what was going on except that I was knees down near the cave floor and we were taking a long time to come looking for him. After I told him what happened he thanked me for deciding not to die during his class. I politely told him "you're welcome"
During an Intro to Cave class I hyperventilated after aspirating water (it was the culmination of a series of problems that day- I should have turned the dive way before- and definitely would today). I was overbreathing my regulator and still could not get enough air. If the surface had been an option I might surely have bolted, but as it was it was I had to either get my breathing under control or die. I had the presence of mind to realize all this. My team mate frantically trying to help me was actually making it worse. I managed to give him a strong hold sign, centered myself and got my breathing under control. In a couple of minutes it was as if nothing had even happened. In the debriefing my instructor busted my chops for not keeping in trim during that episode. He had been playing the role of the lost buddy, watching us from off in the distance, when it happened and had no clue what was going on except that I was knees down near the cave floor and we were taking a long time to come looking for him. After I told him what happened he thanked me for deciding not to die during his class. I politely told him "you're welcome"
Are you sure you do not dive CCR, Ms?
Your short post very succinctly summarizes one of the most prevalent myths and misunderstood bits of physiology among CCR divers... namely that bailing out will "fix the problem" when there is a scrubber breakthrough or some other issue which compromises the scrubber bed.
The fact is that without some further action (as mentioned) the panicy feeling brought on by elevated levels of CO2 does not go away... certainly not for a good while.
Anyway, when do we get to go diving?
Fear in general and panic in particular can be addressed by slowly approaching the triggering event over time - more or less successivley approximating the event until the real deal / full experience is not all that scary any more, or less pleasantly through "flooding" where you experience the event, survive it and in the process conclude it is a) surviveable and b) not as bad as you thought.
In the real world, successive approximation or habituation to the event is probably a much wiser approach and that speaks directly to more experience giving the diver both a wider range of tools to fall back on to provide viable options to resolve the situation (reducing the perception that things are out of control, hopeless, etc), and a greater psychological buffer against panic in that situation in general.
In general, the longer I dive, the greater my ability, confidence and comfort level, but some of it is still environmentally dependent. Pinnacle dives, by their envelope/comfort zone pushing nature are more stressful. Similarly, dives in unfamiliar conditions are more stressful until experience and confidence pushes the comfort zone back out to normal levels. I think that is part of the "cave gets bigger" phenomenon. As a cave diver develops, his skills get better, his SA improves and in general he has more cognitive respources to devote to the dive and prevent potential problems. All of those factors increase the margin separating the diver form an event that could induce panic.
The CO2 issue is also interesting. I suspect more often than not, an OC diver doing a pinnacle type dive, whether it is depth, penetration distance, or just really demanding conditions, starts to think about conserving gas. If that then results in the diver artificially lowering his ventilation rate, then CO2 retention occurs and the anxiety level will start to rise and magnify the impact of anything that does go wrong.
Personally, when I begin to feel my anxiety level increase, I assess why, determine the course of action needed to reduce it, and then act to make that happen. Sometimes that means turning the dive, other times it just means modifying the plan or adding in some other safety precaution or action to eliminate the anxiety inducing factor.
I think the important thing is to accurately self assess and monitor the dive as it progresses to ensure the psychological comfort zone stays large enough to allow you to accomodate potential emergencies without reaching a point where bolting or trying to claw through the ceiling appear to be your most viable options.
In the real world, successive approximation or habituation to the event is probably a much wiser approach and that speaks directly to more experience giving the diver both a wider range of tools to fall back on to provide viable options to resolve the situation (reducing the perception that things are out of control, hopeless, etc), and a greater psychological buffer against panic in that situation in general.
In general, the longer I dive, the greater my ability, confidence and comfort level, but some of it is still environmentally dependent. Pinnacle dives, by their envelope/comfort zone pushing nature are more stressful. Similarly, dives in unfamiliar conditions are more stressful until experience and confidence pushes the comfort zone back out to normal levels. I think that is part of the "cave gets bigger" phenomenon. As a cave diver develops, his skills get better, his SA improves and in general he has more cognitive respources to devote to the dive and prevent potential problems. All of those factors increase the margin separating the diver form an event that could induce panic.
The CO2 issue is also interesting. I suspect more often than not, an OC diver doing a pinnacle type dive, whether it is depth, penetration distance, or just really demanding conditions, starts to think about conserving gas. If that then results in the diver artificially lowering his ventilation rate, then CO2 retention occurs and the anxiety level will start to rise and magnify the impact of anything that does go wrong.
Personally, when I begin to feel my anxiety level increase, I assess why, determine the course of action needed to reduce it, and then act to make that happen. Sometimes that means turning the dive, other times it just means modifying the plan or adding in some other safety precaution or action to eliminate the anxiety inducing factor.
I think the important thing is to accurately self assess and monitor the dive as it progresses to ensure the psychological comfort zone stays large enough to allow you to accomodate potential emergencies without reaching a point where bolting or trying to claw through the ceiling appear to be your most viable options.
In addition to your excellent advice to relax and breathe deeply, ensure you are in a horizontal position to put the regulator diaphragm near the same depth as your center lung mass. That also reduces minor drysuit squeeze on the chest and diaphragm. A few inches of water pressure differential can make a difference when you are near the edge.
To expand on your point, contemporary open circuit regulators have significantly lower inhalation and exhalation resistance under maximum flow rates than conventional un-assisted rebreathers. Respiratory workload can have nonlinear effects on lung ventilation efficiency, especially at higher gas densities and physical workloads. There are also dead space issues with higher rebreather mouthpiece volume. That is further compounded when the mouthpiece is added to oral nasal volume in full face masks and hats (as opposed to the hoses connecting directly to the oral nasal).
There have been experiments with powered gas circulation on tethered rebreathers for deep diving operations. They proved unworkable at the time for a variety of somewhat unrelated reasons, but there may come a time when the concept is revisited.
One of the most important things a diver can learn about themselves is how they react to potentially serious situations. Our ability to deal with them undoubtedly improves with experience, but I have seen "experienced" divers panic when faced with a real problem. So far I am fortunate in that over the 50 years I've been diving, I've learned that I retain a fairly clear head when faced with even potentially life threatening problems. Of course I could be living in "da Nile."
2LongGone
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Excellent thread! I will have to say that out of the people I've been around who did not panic in a given situation some of them didn't realize they were in a dangerous position to begin with.
KC
KC
In light of some recent discussions, I felt this thread may need revisiting...
chrpai
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I have simply never known myself to panic. And that worries me because I don't know why I don't panic and I don't know what I'd be like if I ever did.
Maybe it was the Marine Drill instructors screaming in my face trying to get me to lose my bearing and make the task 'unfair' and expecting me to get it done anyways. But when I'm diving, sure I might get a little task overloaded and my skills go to **** but I step back and get back to basics and get the job done.
When my kid does something stupid and starts bleeding all over the place I'm the guy that rips his belt off and quickly makes a tourniquet to apply pressure.
When a punk in S.E. DC sticks a screwdriver in his pocket and claims it's a gun, I just take his butt down. ( True story. )
When a cop is chasing a suspect down and the perp is getting away, I take his butt down also. (Another true story. )
Is it possible that panic really just not in my nature or have I just not met my nemesis yet?
Maybe it was the Marine Drill instructors screaming in my face trying to get me to lose my bearing and make the task 'unfair' and expecting me to get it done anyways. But when I'm diving, sure I might get a little task overloaded and my skills go to **** but I step back and get back to basics and get the job done.
When my kid does something stupid and starts bleeding all over the place I'm the guy that rips his belt off and quickly makes a tourniquet to apply pressure.
When a punk in S.E. DC sticks a screwdriver in his pocket and claims it's a gun, I just take his butt down. ( True story. )
When a cop is chasing a suspect down and the perp is getting away, I take his butt down also. (Another true story. )
Is it possible that panic really just not in my nature or have I just not met my nemesis yet?
waterpirate
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Panic in the experianced diver is a very real and survivable occurance. Yesterday in 107 fsw diving a jacked steel 60, a very experianced diver found his way back to the line and freely admitted that after battling a stuborn bug, on a very broken up wreck, with half his body in a hole, he began to think about what ifs, and admitted that his neglect to run a line only made it worse. Panic? Not really, but a clear lesson in stop,breath, think, act.
Eric
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