Politics of SB Members?

Do you consider yourself

  • So far to the left I can't even see the center

    Votes: 15 15.0%
  • Love me, love me, love me... I'm a liberal

    Votes: 12 12.0%
  • Middle of the road, right down the center line

    Votes: 11 11.0%
  • Tend to be conservative fiscal and liberal on social issues

    Votes: 33 33.0%
  • I make Ronald Reagan, The Duke and others look like pinkos

    Votes: 15 15.0%
  • Oh wow man, like who knows... or cares?

    Votes: 14 14.0%

  • Total voters
    100
  • Poll closed .

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loosebits once bubbled...


Can't help it, hate G.W., live in Texas, surrounded by Republicans, must vent anger. Ahhhh.

Don't hate them. Work with them to make changes that you agree with.

I find it funny that you hate G.W. Bush, but would like us to be nicer to the people that killed so many of our innocent countrymen. The civil liberties you speak of kind of frown on hate, but do give you the right to speak.

I like the debate, I don't hate you for being a Democrat. You can be my divebuddy anytime! Seriously.
 
I've also had a nerve struck and am now stopping here.

Which of your civil liberties have been trampled on?

"When they came for the socialists I did not speak out because I was not a socialist.
When they came for the homosexuals I did not speak out because I was not a homosexual.
When they came for the Jews I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
When they came for me there was no one left to speak out."
 
WileEDiver- I was wondering if anyone would recognize that line. Yes, I'm a big Phil Ochs fan. I consider songs like "Changes" and "When I'm Gone" to be among the most beautiful I've ever listened to. Of course they also bring back memories of the better side of the 60's. I heard him live in Boston at an SDS-sponsored "People for Peace" concert... back in the days when SDS still made sense to me.

Some very good points made by other posters here. My positions on different issues often leap the spectrum. Not always easy to be pigeon-holed into a specific category.

The point about egos and motivations of politicians is well taken. It is motivation and intent that is critical in "judging" others. For example I think LBJ had good motivations on domestic issues, but couldn't extract himself from Vietnam.

While I am very much opposed to the Iraq intervention, the soldiers there larggely believe in what they are doing and deserve our support (especially while they are there). I wish more of us felt the same way towards the soldiers who fought in Vietnam. I tried to.

I didn't vote for Arnold and have some strong suspicions re: motives. However he seems to be pulling together an interesting team, and doing things that make sense to me. Until my fears are realized, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Dr. Bill
 
loosebits once bubbled...
"When they came for the socialists I did not speak out because I was not a socialist.
When they came for the homosexuals I did not speak out because I was not a homosexual.
When they came for the Jews I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
When they came for me there was no one left to speak out."

Who is coming for you? Ashcroft? Does he know where you live? Of course he does. And he knows if you've been bad or good, so you better watch out, you better not shout, you better not cry I'm telling you why, Santa... I mean John Ashcroft and the Bush administration is coming... your way.

They don't give a rat's behind about you and I in this hunt for terrorists. Unless you're doing something you shouldn't, and then you should be paranoid.

By the way, I owned a third share in a flight school in the Midwest that provided training to somein sitting in Cuba right now. The FBI pulled me off on of my flights to interview me, not interrogate as you might think. My testimony as to the behavior of the individual and his motives(by the way he paid a large sum of cash, and stole one of my airplanes for 3 days) helped lock him up. He later was found to have entered the country back in 1996 illegally, has 26 known aliases, and ties to 3 terrorist organizations. Seemed like a nice guy when I first met him. Good job FBI! They caught him fleeing Washington, DC the day after the attacks, driving down the interstate with a flat tire shooting sparks.

Maybe he just wanted cows. (see previous post on cows)
 
Because of the political-contribution habits of the two soft drink companies, Democratic administrations traditionally serve Coca-Cola and Republicans serve Pepsi.

Ok everyone. Go to your refrigerators and make note of which cola you purchase. You might be a traitor to your political party and not have known it! If you did know it all along, you'd better run and hide, cause, Heerrreee's Johhnny!
 
mempilot once bubbled...
Because of the political-contribution habits of the two soft drink companies, Democratic administrations traditionally serve Coca-Cola and Republicans serve Pepsi.

Ok everyone. Go to your refrigerators and make note of which cola you purchase. You might be a traitor to your political party and not have known it! If you did know it all along, you'd better run and hide, cause, Heerrreee's Johhnny!

AAAAAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I LOVE Coke!!!!!!!!!!! ;-0
 
drbill once bubbled...
WileEDiver- I was wondering if anyone would recognize that line. Yes, I'm a big Phil Ochs fan. I consider songs like "Changes" and "When I'm Gone" to be among the most beautiful I've ever listened to. Of course they also bring back memories of the better side of the 60's. I heard him live in Boston at an SDS-sponsored "People for Peace" concert... back in the days when SDS still made sense to me.Dr. Bill

Bill, I join you in Phil Ochs fandom—I guess we’re just a couple of old folkies. I absolutely agree with you on "Changes"--a truly beautiful song beautifully sung. I also loved with he did with Alfred Noyes' "The Highwayman"--what a haunting melody! I thought of him as our national conscience in "The Power and the Glory" strangely (for him) upbeat and optimistic while still cautious (“Yet she’s only as rich as the poorest of the poor, Only as free as a padlock prison door, Only as strong as our love for this land, Only as tall as we stand.”).

What a shame his life ended so tragically.
 
SharkOfBonaire once bubbled...

I'd leave it at that...

:dotdot:

Just another case of people changing context, deleting the true meaning of someone's thoughts, to make their own point.

Type your own statements, don't change mine.

Now, what time's the boat leaving? And what dives are we doing today?:peace:
 
I tend to cross party lines a lot. However, I generally agree with Republicans more, and positively detest Clinton, who was more than usually dishonest in office.

My views tend to be socially conservative, and somewhat fiscally conservative with a few exceptions.

I may be a new breed: a fiscally middle classer. I personally believe in high taxes for the richest (say, 75% for the amount above $2 million) and lower taxes for the middle classes. As for low income, I believe in less welfare, and frankly don't see any problem with "workfare" programs. (I saw an article where a woman said it was insulting and demeaning to be required to do volunteer work as a condition for assisted housing. huh?!?! :wacko: Insulting that you don't get something for nothing?! No wonder you don't have a job, you #$@#$#@%!!) I am also interested in reducing the complexity of the tax code, and am very interested in the prospect of a national sales tax to replace all or part of the income tax, thus eliminating or greatly minimizing the IRS.

As for rights, I am for individual rights such as owning my guns, letting other people who live far from me have their cigarettes, but also for individual privacy, a view at odds with Rumsfeld and crew.

People asked what rights the present administration is attacking. It's attacking the right to privacy and more than one constitutional right. (For you conservatives out there, If we give up those amendments, we will soon give up the 2nd.) The Patriot Act removes many constitutional protections concerning privacy, but is limited largely in its application to only foreign citizens. The Patriot Act II, admittedly a draft not meant for public viewing (it was a position paper, and may have represented an extremist position) removes the distinction of foreign citizen, thus allowing US citizens to be monitored via phonetaps and cameras in their own home without their knowledge based only on a view by the investigating officer that a National Security threat is somehow involved, not even that the person has committed a crime! Unsuccessful wiretaps can be placed and removed, with the records kept, without the subject ever being informed! All based on ONE PERSON'S decision, not that the individual has committed a crime, but they may in some way eventually receive information concerning a national security issue! Know anyone from a foreign country? Anyone who visited one? You may be the next contestant on "Where did my rights go?"! That is only one aspect of the rights being trampled. Presently, for a specified period after a terrorist attack (not specifically designed, how do you define that), people of interest may be detained WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF ANY0ONE BUT ONE LAWYER for a period of up to 90 days! So if you have a family member and they disappear with no trace, maybe the are a guest at Club Fed!

I personally would rather live with an increased danger of terrorist incidents in a free country than lose the aspects that make the US great.
 
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