President Trump Pulls U.S. Out of the Paris Climate Accord

Do you think President Trump made the right choice?

  • Yes

    Votes: 49 51.6%
  • No

    Votes: 46 48.4%

  • Total voters
    95

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You lost all credibility with that one world order crap.
That's just what the liberals say. It was an objective of bummers to become subject to a higher authority than ourselves for the benefit of all nations. He said it many times and presented the same view at the UN. He worked on the same thing with the gun grab. Establish a UN requirement to ban guns and the US ( a member) would have to follow IAW the UN position with out going through the congress to change the constitution. What do you call that. The same position was taken with health care to attempt to get it designated as a human right by those countries that had one payer system or socialistic health care. Again to make us subject to a foreign commission.
 
If we leave it to individuals, I have severe doubts any meaningful dent will be made. We are a consumerist society.

As long as there is a market the US will make technologies to accomplish the environment goals. Let the accord dictate the other nations and we will make the equipment to persue its goals. Let those countries pay us to clean them up instead of us paying soomwone to do it. Its simple business as opposed to politics.
 
I am very confused by this point. If the agreement did not do enough, why are we receding? Why not stay engaged and urge the global community to "double down" on the agreement so the results will be more ambitious?
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Double down is a great idea but there are countries not paying a cent and are not required to for years. For those not paying the cost is passed to the USA.
 
You lost all credibility with that one world order crap.
Actually he didn't - call it what you will, but it amounts to pretty much what he said - make the US pay (in more ways than just money) and not decide it's own destiny...
 
Actually he didn't - call it what you will, but it amounts to pretty much what he said - make the US pay (in more ways than just money) and not decide it's own destiny...

To be fair every international agreement (well, I guess every agreement period...) involves nations agreeing to constrain their future freedom to act independently on the basis that others will do the same for the greater communal good.

You can like the deal or not like the deal. But the idea that all international agreements should be banned because it limits a nation's ability to remain master of its own destiny in relation to the matters covered by the agreement, well, that's just nuts.
 
To be fair every international agreement (well, I guess every agreement period...) involves nations agreeing to constrain their future freedom to act independently on the basis that others will do the same for the greater communal good.

You can like the deal or not like the deal. But the idea that all international agreements should be banned because it limits a nation's ability to remain master of its own destiny in relation to the matters covered by the agreement, well, that's just nuts.
And where did I say that all international agreements should be banned, exactly? We just need to make sure agreements we sign don't sell us short...

In this case, I don't like the "deal" that our last president did not have the authority to sign us up for in the first place.
 
To be fair every international agreement (well, I guess every agreement period...) involves nations agreeing to constrain their future freedom to act independently on the basis that others will do the same for the greater communal good.

You can like the deal or not like the deal. But the idea that all international agreements should be banned because it limits a nation's ability to remain master of its own destiny in relation to the matters covered by the agreement, well, that's just nuts.


Your concern is a very good one. For the USA that is why it requires the senate to sign off on it when they do the treaty (as the US refers to such arangements) and treat it the same as US law. It is the agreement by the lawmaking body (congress) to relinquish its jurisdiction the creation of structuring of terms to become law ( sudo) to be determined by other groups or nations. . The paris agreement was not cleared by congress. It is there fore void because the president was not authorized by congress to allow another nation to take control of this small segment of our sovereignty. It is sad like you say because other countries use the word agreement and we use the word treaty. This was bummers backdoor way or skipping the congress because the congress did not approve of the agreements terms.
 

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