Primary light won't light ...

[JeffG]

I'm stunned divers are actually suggesting in public that continuing to enter a cave on a backup is a good idea.

I'm not surprised. I'm sure they would still do the dive if they forgot their helmet too.

 

[limeyx]

I'm not surprised. I'm sure they would still do the dive if they forgot their helmet too.

Good point jeff, I'd better make sure mine is packed for next week as I dont know if I can get a replacement in mx!

Now off to do some more internet diving to get my counts up!

 

[rjack321]

I'm not surprised. I'm sure they would still do the dive if they forgot their helmet too.

If you can't see, I imagine a helmet is a good idea. Off to MX with that Limeyx Brit to use our newfound cyber diving skills.

 

[do it easy]

Good point jeff, I'd better make sure mine is packed for next week as I dont know if I can get a replacement in mx!

Now off to do some more internet diving to get my counts up!

If you can't see, I imagine a helmet is a good idea. Off to MX with that Limeyx Brit to use our newfound cyber diving skills.

Have fun storming the castle!!

 

[rjack321]

Have fun storming the castle!!

Lol you should see those Mexican cave rodents of unusual size! :mooner:

 

[OneBrightGator]

I'm stunned divers are actually suggesting in public that continuing to enter a cave on a backup is a good idea.

I'm stunned that you and Mike have such abysmal reading comprehension skills. I'll simplify the OP for you both:

"Would you do a cave dive with a 3W LED as your primary light."

And there is no right or wrong answer here. The standards say a "20W light", which is completely ambiguous in today's light market, so it's not a valid arguing point. You have to look at what is a primary light for? Um, illumination (check), signaling (check). If you're really that concerned about being able to run a reel/spool, donate gas, search for the line with a backup then you have no business inside the cave. What happens if your super bright goodman-handled primary fails at the Bats, your buddy loses a tank neck o-ring, who knows what? Eh... f-it, can't do it. From there it's just a matter of personal preference, which means an obvious answer for some before they even consider the question, for the rest of us it's just a lower light cave dive.

Oh, and Mike... :mooner:

 

[limeyx]

I'm stunned that you and Mike have such abysmal reading comprehension skills. I'll simplify the OP for you both:

"Would you do a cave dive with a 3W LED as your primary light."

And there is no right or wrong answer here. The standards say a "20W light", which is completely ambiguous in today's light market, so it's not a valid arguing point. You have to look at what is a primary light for? Um, illumination (check), signaling (check). If you're really that concerned about being able to run a reel/spool, donate gas, search for the line with a backup then you have no business inside the cave. What happens if your super bright goodman-handled primary fails at the Bats, your buddy loses a tank neck o-ring, who knows what? Eh... f-it, can't do it. From there it's just a matter of personal preference, which means an obvious answer for some before they even consider the question, for the rest of us it's just a lower light cave dive.

Oh, and Mike... :mooner:

No one is saying they can't do those things w/a backup light, it's just not optimal.
To me, a bit like starting a 400 mile car journey on one of those small-sized spare tires -- sure you could but why not get the main tire fixed first ?

*if* the 3W LED had a goodman handle, and *if* I had tested it and it was as strong as the rest of the teams even when there was silt (or tannic caves that eat light) and I had 2 more backups, then yes it's just a weaker primary light.

If not, it's not. I would not start a cave dive on a light like my 3W Heser backup even if it had a goodman handle as it doesn't seem bright enough to me, and definitely not as bright as the rest of the people I dive with.

 

[limeyx]

Lol you should see those Mexican cave rodents of unusual size! :mooner:

And that's the *cute* girls (well, at least during the off season)

 

[eandiver]

Thats ok I don't dive with people who have 100x more posts on the internet than cave dives.

and you use that as a basis for dive buddys

 

[Dive-aholic]

I would hope that if I'm doing a lost line search that I still have lights and good ones. Yes I can do it completely blind. But the chances of actually successfully reconnecting with buddies and/or the line are vastly increased with a decent light. I will stack the odds of staying on the line in the first place and refinding it much higher with a decent light. That means 10W HID-like power. Maybe a 10W handheld, although Limeyx makes alot of good points and since I and none of my buddies have ever used one I am on the fence on this issue.

Okay, we're not on the same page here. The only reason I can think of for having to do a lost line/buddy drill is in a silt out. If I have enough visibility that my light is actually illuminating the cave, then I'm going to know where the line/my buddy is.