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Problems with Advanced and Stress/Rescue Class

Discussion in 'SSI: Scuba Schools International' started by acelockco, Aug 25, 2010.

  1. Stujiro

    Stujiro Angel Fish

    # of Dives: 0 - 24
    Location: Chicago
    Recreational scuba diving isn't rocket science, and shouldn't be made out to be. As someone said before if you're looking for something a bit more technical then maybe you should look into training with the more tech oriented agencies (GUE, UTD, TDI).
  2. acelockco

    acelockco Solo Diver

    I know not everyone agrees with me, but I have found those that do. I have decided to not use SSI and continue on with NAUI so at this point there really isn't any reason to continue this conversation unless someone just likes to argue. I won't be checking this thread any longer so if you have something to tell me, just send me a personal message or email.
  3. SeaHorse81

    SeaHorse81 Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: PA
    I have participated in one of Jim's classes in which he offered this particular challenge. We had practiced the unconscious diver scenario numerous times earlier in the dive (both watching and doing), so the process of what to do was already familiar. When he played dead, I had a half-second of, "That's odd," followed by, "Oh, we're doing unconscious diver, cool." Whereupon we did exactly what we'd practiced earlier in the session with no stress at all. Because the skills had been so thoroughly covered and repeated earlier, it was a very calm matter of simply knowing what to do and executing when necessary. It was quite-confidence building, actually.

    Whether he was playing dead or had actually developed a real medical problem on a training dive with students, we'd have responded the same way, which I think is the point. I've seen him pull other surprises as well, always after controlled practice and with students that have demonstrated readiness and ability to follow through. I like that he mixes things up enough to keep people thinking actively, rather than getting into auto-pilot. Suits my style of learning, anyway.

    I've had other instruction, and for the record, have never noted someone to keep as close an eye on students in the water as Jim does.

    Flots, your concerns are valid in a general way, but I think Jim really has his bases covered.
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2010
  4. ZenDiver.3D

    ZenDiver.3D Rejecting Reality ScubaBoard Sponsor ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives:
    Location: Kuwait, but home is Savannah, Georgia
    As another mathematician, I didn't realize that we were so exalted. I thought I was no better than anyone else. Thanks for letting me know how special those like you are.


    I can't imagine why everyone wouldn't agree with you. You come across so well....
    It's probably a good thing you are done.
    Betcha' do check back. They all do.....
    Wait, you're here right now:
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    ZenDiver.3D, Blue Sparkle, SeaHorse81, acelockco, Stujiro, burger king
  5. weaponeer

    weaponeer Barracuda

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Virginia
    Let him go sit in the corner with the few other people that don't mind his "better than thou" approach. Maybe they can come up with a mental apptitude test requirement for those seeking to become SCUBA certified so that there aren't a bunch of idiot divers roaming the seas... makes me feel safer just thinking about it.
  6. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Dive Shop

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Canonsburg, Pa
    Thanks Seahorse81, That is exactly how a diver should react to an "unconscious" diver they encounter. I went "unconscious". And you both reacted perfectly. And acted as a team to recover the diver(me). And even better were in the proper position to assist me. Extra points for that.

    And flotsam you still have not answered what scenarios you yourself use in rescue classes. No info on your profile as to what agency you teach through either. Nor your level, number of dives, etc. What agency standards do you have in your reference library. I have them for 6 agencies and working on getting more. In some rescue class scenarios the instructor does not even need to be in the water. They can direct everything from shore. I don;t do that. I don't ask my volunteer victims to be the unconscious diver for anyone except me when demoing it. Then I take the risk of being the recovered vic for students.

    I would have no problem with a student pulling an unconscious on me. I'm an instructor. I know what to do. I expect the divers I train to be able to handle the unexpected in open water. Not just in the pool. Pool is easy. But I don't normally dive in a pool and neither do my students.
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2010
  7. flots am

    flots am Solo Diver

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: Wherever you go in life, that's where you are.
    My opinion is that misleading students into thinking that you're injured or dead is inappropriate and dangerous. My agency affiliation and training methods are irrelevant, except that I would never consider pulling a stunt like that.

    That's fascinating. What level card do I need to get my "Raise the Dead" specialty?

    Last edited: Aug 27, 2010
  8. theduckguru

    theduckguru Divemaster Candidate

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: USA
    If the OP had taken the time to review the course completion requirements prior to the purchase of the materials, he might have learned the certification requirement for the SSI AOW and Rescue Diver is age 15.

    The material has to be age / education appropriate in that regard and meet the reading comprehension level of the average adult.

    Last edited: Aug 27, 2010
  9. pamariay

    pamariay Garibaldi

    # of Dives: 50 - 99
    Location: Phoenixville, PA
    I have both PADI and SSI Advanced Open Water certifications. Of the two AOW courses, the SSI training was more rigorous. With SSI, I had to complete 8 training dives, pass a test, and have 24 logged dives before I could get my advanced certification. With PADI, I just had to complete 5 training dives. I did not have to pass a test for PADI AOW, and I did not have to have a minimum number of logged dives. Also, my SSI course definitely covered topics in more depth. For example, I learned a lot more about wreck diving from SSI than I did from PADI.

    My daughter has a NAUI Advanced Open Water certification, and I am reading her textbook right now. The NAUI book does have more details about different types of equipment, and it contains fewer graphics. But overall, the NAUI book seems to contain the same content as the SSI and PADI books.

    I think the best thing you can do is find a dive shop with instructors that you respect. That's what I did (with an SSI shop), and I am happy with the training I have received.
  10. Lead_carrier

    Lead_carrier Instructor, Scuba

    From the ones of us that don't know you but might run into you.. Thanks.. I'll be sure to let you know I'm SSI.

    Did you contact SSI or post a blast on Scubaboard? There is a LOT of difference. If I over looked the post where you said you had contacted them I'll aplologize in advance.

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