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Thoughts on Standing and Climbing up with heavy steel doubles for small, old, weak divers only

Discussion in 'Technical Diving Specialties' started by divezonescuba, Nov 9, 2020.

  1. divezonescuba

    divezonescuba ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I am sure this will not apply to everyone. If you are big, strong, or young enough not to have this problem, good for you. Just remember, you may not always be or you my want to dive with larger, heavier tanks.

    There was in fact, a lengthy thread about people not being able to handle their doubles. You know what I am talking about. This is a skills solution to a gear problem.

    In summary, If you are a smaller or older person or both like me, you may have experienced some difficulty standing up from a seated position particularly from a low bench seat. However, I have also seen this issue with young strong divers with a single tank. For me, this is something that is always in the back of my mind when I dive doubles.

    Previously, I would flex my legs and lean forward. This can be somewhat difficult for me particularly, if the bench is average or below average height.

    I accidentally came across a technique, which some may already be practicing. But, since I had not heard of it before, I thought I would pass it on. I think most people would not want to admit that this is an issue.

    What I found out Is that I could make to transition to a stronger leg lift position, by pressing down on the bench with both palms just before standing. This in essence temporarily distributes the weight of the doubles between your arms and your legs until, your legs can completely take over. This make it much easier as a 100 pound + set of doubles may now seem only require your legs to initially lift half of that. A 100 pounds + is still a 100 pounds +, but it is how you lift it. Of course, if you have super spindly arms, and cannot support as much weight, this may not be as effective for you. This is not quite the same as a kinetic lift, which many should be familiar with, because you are not already in motion.

    I also tried getting out of the water in a similar fashion. In this case, you generate downward pressure with both arms instead of just using your arms for balancing just before you step up to the next rung. It doesn’t work quite as well because the ladder railing is usually vertical and you can’t get as much leverage.

    This has now made standing and climbing up easy for me, where as before it was a bit concerning.
     
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  2. MaxBottomtime

    MaxBottomtime Divemaster

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    The solution that worked best for me was switching from double 120s to steel 80s, they choosing to dive single tanks only. :)

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  3. Marie13

    Marie13 Great Lakes Mermaid ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I switched back to SM. My knees couldn’t take the doubles weight.
     
  4. PfcAJ

    PfcAJ Orca

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  5. Hoyden

    Hoyden ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Once the gym wasn't enough, I switched to a rebreather. My first class was hilarious. Our instructor had us assemble and put on our units and walk around with them. The only other student was a recreational diver who was a fairly large guy. He was dying with the weight and I was so happy at how light it was.
     
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  6. boulderjohn

    boulderjohn Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I have had the problem standing up wearing Worthington LP 108s (think anvils with air pockets) and 2-3 deco bottles while sitting on a low bench on a dive boat. When I have had the opportunity, I have picked a seat within reach of some kind of structure I can use to pull myself up. Other times, I put my hand out and accept the help of someone. That person is usually walking around doing the same for others as well. I feel no shame in that.
     
  7. kelemvor

    kelemvor Big Fleshy Monster ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I think that's normal for worthington 108's unless you're able to compete in the mr. (or mrs or other) universe competition. I did 26 ocean boat dives with worthington 108's while I was "getting used" to doubles and a drysuit prior to cave class. Yeah, not really a fond memory. Sidemount but they're just too damn heavy to hand up/down. You gotta wear 'em.

    I actually tripped coming up from a shore dive and got stuck on my back. First time I've ever had to ask for help because try as I might I could not get my butt back up that time. Good thing I had plenty of gas left or I could have drowned in 6 inches of water.
     
  8. Capt Jim Wyatt

    Capt Jim Wyatt Hanging at the 10 Foot Stop Staff Member

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    I switched to sidemount.
     
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  9. Gareth J

    Gareth J Manta Ray

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    Really pleased I switched from steel twin 12's (litres), + side mounts.
    To CCR, with bailout.

    My 12's are on permanent lone to a friend. I do occasionally dive twin 10's, mainly if teaching.
     
  10. Storker

    Storker ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    232s?

    It's funny. IME, twin 10s are about as common as hens' teeth around here. It's either small, cute twinsets like D6, D7 or D8.5, or it's "tech" twinsets, typically D12s. Or larger.
     

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