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Tour operators start ban on full-face snorkel masks

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba Discussions' started by grantwiscour, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. BRT

    BRT Giant Squid

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    Small breathing tube gets better air exchange.
     
  2. 2airishuman

    2airishuman Solo Diver

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    I've seen them and I believe they're inherently more dangerous.

    My wife wanted to get one. She is in her 50s and although she wades and floats in the water she was never comfortable getting her face wet. Weak swimmer. Typical of someone who buys a ffs. I encouraged her to get a regular mask and snorkel, and she did. And worked through her fears in the pool. Sometimes by herself (with a lifeguard), sometimes with me. She worked up to snorkeling in Key Largo at the Christ of the Abyss statute, with me, while the kids were scuba diving. She had a fantastic time.

    Standard snorkel, user panics, they spit out the snorkel, stand up (or swim), and breathe air. And orally inflate their snorkel vest if they have one. (My wife did but never had to use it)

    Ffs they have to use their hands to take it off, costs seconds, maybe tens of seconds, can't inflate until it's off, can't breathe until it's partway off. The difference between a bad experience at the beach and a fatality is measured in seconds. How can anyone maintain that there is zero added risk?

    What if the chin cup doesn't seal or the inhalation valves don't close? That's where you get the CO2 buildup. Would you realize it, in warm water where there's no condensation? Would someone who hasn't snorkeled before realize it? Another risk

    If ffss have added risk in those situations the only way they can be as safe overall as a regular snorkel is if they are somehow safer in some other area. I don't see where that could be the case.

    Why do we have to wait for a peer-reviewed study showing a statistically significant relationship before anything changes? Why isn't the onus on the product manufacturers to demonstrate that their innovation is safe?

    And in the words of Bob Dylan, How many deaths will it take until we know that too many people have died?
     
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  3. KWS

    KWS ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I see these of something very much like these for 300$ on cruise ships
     
  4. Hoyden

    Hoyden Instructor, Scuba

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  5. Bob DBF

    Bob DBF Solo Diver

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    When I found out it wasen't mine, I lost interest and went snorkeling.



    Bob
     
  6. JackD342

    JackD342 Dive Shop

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    StefinSB and grantwiscour like this.
  7. myshadeofred

    myshadeofred Nassau Grouper

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    I think the part for companies was all the extra assistance they require. This takes time away from other things.
     
  8. Doc

    Doc Was RoatanMan

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  9. Sbiriguda

    Sbiriguda Manta Ray

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    Awesome
    I’ll check on the eBay if I can find one
     
  10. Sbiriguda

    Sbiriguda Manta Ray

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    I still don’t understand why this sort of masks should be so dangerous they have to forbid them, while it’s allowed to sell guns. With these masks you can do snorkeling only, not freediving. There is a potential risk of CO2 buildup. If you stop swimming for a few seconds remove the mask and put it again the risk of CO2 buildup is virtually zero. It would take several hours of non stop snorkeling anyway to create a significant risk
     
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