Two divers dead in Scharendejke NLD

[ajduplessis]

Diving on a bus during AOW does not make you a qualified wreck diver, there is specialised training for wreck diving.

Technical wreck diving is not an open title...

 

[Remy B.]

You will be surprised how easy they give out the "Wreck Diver" certification everywhere around the world, the divers that unfortunately lost their lives were not Technical divers to my knowledge.

 

[Kay Dee]

Diving on a bus during AOW does not make you a qualified wreck diver, there is specialised training for wreck diving.

Technical wreck diving is not an open title...

But were they actually 'technical' wreck diver trained?

As Remy B implies, a basic 'wreck diver' cert is worth about what the paper / plastic it's printed on is.

 

[Miyaru]

But were they actually 'technical' wreck diver trained?

As Remy B implies, a basic 'wreck diver' cert is worth about what the paper / plastic it's printed on is.

Part of tech training would be diving with a different mindset, with regards to planning, choice of equipment, and following procedures.

These guys were diving single-tank, no line, overhead.
So if they were tech-wreck-trained, they seem to have ditched everything they learned.

 

[Kay Dee]

Part of tech training would be diving with a different mindset, with regards to planning, choice of equipment, and following procedures.

These guys were diving single-tank, no line, overhead.
So if they were tech-wreck-trained, they seem to have ditched everything they learned.

Would not be the first time someone has ditched everything they learnt for the 'dive' though, if, repeat if, that be the case here.

 

[Compressor]

If the deceased family is reading these pages, my condolences to them.
Its a dark wreck dive. Dangerous to me and easy to get lost/trapped if precautions not taken (lines, spare lights...) and not trained.

 

[Remy B.]

Beside the unfortunate event of the two divers death, I have seen local advocacy to close the dive site, I was afraid that this was going to happen.

No dought this was a tragedy, but instead of training beter the divers, or to get a special pass to enter the location apparently there is advocacy to close the dive site.

The only good wreck to properly introduce wreck diving in Nederland is in peril

 

[Diver0001]

Beside the unfortunate event of the two divers death, I have seen local advocacy to close the dive site, I was afraid that this was going to happen.

No dought this was a tragedy, but instead of training beter the divers, or to get a special pass to enter the location apparently there is advocacy to close the dive site.

The only good wreck to properly introduce wreck diving in Nederland is in peril

Don't worry, Remy. It's just theory spinning. The wreck has been there for 8 years and this is the first time there has been a fatal accident on it. I think what will happen now is that an overdue dialogue will ensue about safety on that wreck. Both you and I posted on this very thread that those divers were found in a dusty "death box", particularly if you are inexperienced.

We need to have this discussion. Some of the ideas are (as always) extreme. "close it" "blow it up" etc. The more reasonable course is to post a clear warning board by the entrance to the "honeycomb" area that divers should not enter there without proper training and experience and NEVER without laying their own guideline.

Other ideas are also possible. I think it's positive that people are willing to have the discussion.

R..

 

[Diver0001]

Further to Remy's post:

Staatsbosbeheer geeft negatief duikadvies voor Serpent – DuikeninBeeld

Gist of the article is that as a precaution the government is recommending against (not forbidding) divers to dive on this wreck until discussions about safety are held. The government is formally -- and therefore legally -- responsible for the safety on the wreck so they have this right (as they do in countries such as Canada).

This is a very typical response from the Dutch government. The government takes human safety seriously. For example, we have about 500-600 deaths in traffic accidents a year (about 3 in a million). In America, that rate is about 125 per million. This is just to give a frame of reference, not to start a political discussion. It does, however, highlight a difference in priorities since this is an international site and we need to see things in international perspective.

As divers we are still free to ignore the recommendations and dive on the wreck anyway. The government has basically covered their collective ass with this announcement so they can't be sued. How I expect the discussions to go conforms to what I said above.

R..

 

[Remy B.]

Lets hope something is done in that way and not that they will close it due to the divers negligence that lead them into their own dead.