Why are experienced divers getting killed and injured lately?

[MasterGoa]

Can someone recap the previous 67 pages,,,,I missed out---

It is pretty simple.

Diving accidents happen.

In order to have the exact cause of death, we need a reliable source of information.
Because the primary source of knowledge about this event is dead,
we have the buddy. Because HIS/HER buddy is dead, the buddy left is rather:
Uncooperative because of the possibility of reprisal, legal or otherwise.
Depressed at the beleif, that may or may not be accurate, that they are somehow
responsible for Buddy1's death.
Because of the short period of time and/or the situation in which everyone
was positionned, the reliability of Buddy2's testimony is HIGHLY interprative
which brings forth a whole other set of problems.

These tree points come to mind.

So having said this, there is a very thick layer of opacity between
what actually happened and what is brought forth by all parties involved.
So the actual reason of the accident and death of the individual will probably never be known which renders the whole proccess useless.

Now, I cannot speak for the world, but in Quebec, when ever somebody dies in an accident, a coroner is assigned to the case to find out what happened,
how the events unfolded and what can be done to educate
people and/or prevent this from happening again.

All diving accidents are investigated by coroners who DO have diving experience
and certification. Do not quote me on this but beleive they have to be dive master.

Many SQ(Surete de Quebec) divers investigate diving accidents and they
have extensive diving experience.

So, the point of this thread, in my humble opinion, if to know
if there is a sure fire way to cut through all the silt and
actually get to the cause of the problem so preventative
measures can actually be put forward.

Yours truely,

MasterGoa

 

[pilot fish]

It is pretty simple.

Diving accidents happen.

In order to have the exact cause of death, we need a reliable source of information.
Because the primary source of knowledge about this event is dead,
we have the buddy. Because HIS/HER buddy is dead, the buddy left is rather:
Uncooperative because of the possibility of reprisal, legal or otherwise.
Depressed at the beleif, that may or may not be accurate, that they are somehow
responsible for Buddy1's death.
Because of the short period of time and/or the situation in which everyone
was positionned, the reliability of Buddy2's testimony is HIGHLY interprative
which brings forth a whole other set of problems.

These tree points come to mind.

So having said this, there is a very thick layer of opacity between
what actually happened and what is brought forth by all parties involved.
So the actual reason of the accident and death of the individual will probably never be known which renders the whole proccess useless.

Now, I cannot speak for the world, but in Quebec, when ever somebody dies in an accident, a coroner is assigned to the case to find out what happened,
how the events unfolded and what can be done to educate
people and/or prevent this from happening again.

All diving accidents are investigated by coroners who DO have diving experience
and certification. Do not quote me on this but beleive they have to be dive master.

Many SQ(Surete de Quebec) divers investigate diving accidents and they
have extensive diving experience.

So, the point of this thread, in my humble opinion, if to know
if there is a sure fire way to cut through all the silt and
actually get to the cause of the problem so preventative
measures can actually be put forward.

Yours truely,

MasterGoa

There are many ways to tell how a diver died and even what might have caused it. It certianly can be narrowed down to one or two causes from a forenisic investigation.

 

[lamont]

okay, i gotta call b.s. on the idea that its complacent experienced divers and more complicated dives that are killing people.

mostly it seems to be divers of only modest experience who haven't gotten sufficient training as far as i can see, along with medical issues. for the non-medical causes, insufficient basic open water training seems to be a the root cause of a lot of it, along with things like semi-experienced (50-100 dives) warm water divers getting into trouble on cold water dives, 100 fsw dives in currents on wrecks with divers with only a few dozen dives and a brand-new AOW cert, that kind of thing...

the truly experienced (1000+ dives) divers that i know seem to be much more conservative than those with 50-100 dives and aren't trying to "get away" with cutting any corners...