smoking on a dive boat

[jefffalcone]

I wonder how many people hwo are aginst smoking cigars or cigaretts smoke pot? And if they that do smoke pot realize that they are getting much more nicotine then cigars.

There is definately not any nicotine in marajuana. But you better not smoke the seeds because everbody knows that will make you sterile.

 

[jefffalcone]

I'd be pretty annoyed if some pothead lit up on the dive boat too, but this never seems to happen.

 

[DutchDown]

I'm a smoker, too but I don't find it a problem to wait until I can find a place that won't bother anyone. None of my buddies smoke, nor do my children, nor most of my coworkers. I've been going outside to smoke since my daughter was born almost 25 years ago. But I figure I have the right to smoke as long as it doesn't affect anyone else. If someone tells me they smell it, I move or put it out. But because I try to be polite, I expect to be approached politely. If someone becomes instantly aggressive, I respond badly. Just as I would if someone is rude on any other occasion.
Something interesting regarding the laws here in Holland. Nest year, smoking will be outlawed in bars and resaturants. But it will still be legal to smoke weed in coffeeshops. Apparently that means if I want to smoke indoors, I'll be getting a free contact high. Pity weed gives me such a ad headache...

Phil

 

[jakeeib]

I am a smoker, although I do consider myself considerate in public, just because you smell the smoke doesnt mean its going to kill you. I have smelled evrything from farts, stale wet suits, to vomit on dive boats. Do we make evryone someone deems offensive move to the back or throw them overboard. I dont smoke around children or in other peoples private property, but in public where smoking is permitted I have the same rights as a non smoker does to breathe air. I also believe people have the right to say something if it bothering you, just be polite and respectful. We all have rights and I have defended them with sweat and blood for 15 years. so to the smokers try to be considerate before we all have to hide in the woods and smoke for fear of the "law" catching us. for non smokers remember we smokers have rights too! You got the restaurnts and the work place, can me please have outside?

 

[chefchris]

Maybe we cigar smokers are just more relaxed then you non cigar smokers are?

We nonsmokers need to remember that smokers are drug addicts and pity them while showing some understanding. Their lives are run by their addictions and most are good people who are normally kind and considerate. Yes, smokers should be able to feed their drug addiction but not when they affect those nonsmokers around them.

Whoa buddy. We're talking about cigar smoking, which is NOT addictive. Get your head out of the sky and stop looking down on people.

While i am in traffic sitting next to a smoker i have been know to ask them to roll up their windows and just kill themselves... it usually doesn't work.

Ya, I don't know why someone wouldn't listen to you when you tell them what to do in their own car? I know I sure would.




I am a cigar smoker. I do it to relax not to feed an addiction. Dispite all this, I would not smoke on a dive boat and rarely smoke in public unless it's a cigar event/bar. Like I said, I do it to enjoy it. On a boat, you've got wind which will mess up your burn. You've got waves churning your stomach, and if you haven't had anything to eat that cigar ain't gonna act like dramamine. No where to keep it. I'm not chancing getting my cutter, lighter, humidor and cigar getting wet. And you've got other people. These are why I would not light up. I just would not enjoy it. This guy was probably just going for a little image boost. But hey, what do you want him to do, throw it away? Those things are expensive!

 

[ClayJar]

I'll say one reason why I dont want to see a smoker near me in a dive boat. A lighted cigarette and trilam material dont mix.

wearing a drysuit costing more than a 1000$, I dont wanna see some careless smoker making a hole through my precious DUI suit or my BC bladder or my wing. I've been burned on the arms several times in confined areas by smokers who have no control over their hands, I dont want them near me on a dive boat.

As someone who had a hole burned in his drysuit by an errant ember from a smoker's cigarette, let me just say that if anyone is smoking anywhere but the back of the dive boat (the "smoking area" designated and announced by the crew, also conveniently far from my drysuit), I will consider it an emergency situation and do my very best to protect those on the dive boat from indeterminate peril.

If at all possible, I'll do this in a discreet and polite manner, but if the problem persists, I'm dumping the mask bucket on the problem.



I don't know why, but tobacco smoke *really* gets to me, too. A couple second-hand breaths, or even talking to a heavy smoker (complete with strong aroma), gives me a very sharp, piercing headache that persists for some time. Getting hit by a puff of diesel fumes certainly makes me a bit queasy, but that passes much more quickly than the tobacco smoke headache. I am courteous and try to make every allowance for people suffering from poorly controlled addictions, but I dive because I enjoy it. If someone smoking is going to turn my dive trip into several hours of sharp, unpleasant pain for no reason more than they don't feel like going to the downwind side or back of the boat, they are at best inconsiderately unaware of their impact and at worst... well, I suppose they could be lazy, self-centered jerks.

It is understandable, but not acceptable, that smokers tend to discount the impact of their addiction on those around them. If they admitted the detrimental impact of their smoking on others, they must then accept that the addiction may be equally bad for themselves. Obviously, they would think, nobody but an insane masochist would voluntarily subject themselves to something unpleasant, even painful, and since they are certainly not an insane masochist, their smoking must not be unpleasant or painful to them. Therefore, anyone else who comes along and claims it to be unpleasant or painful (when they're not even getting anywhere near the amount a smoker gets) must necessarily be exaggerating the effect for no reason other than their own pious elitism.

Truth be told, smoking is much more unpleasant and painful to those healthy, non-addicted people around smokers, so the logical disconnect is even more enhanced. "It's safer for the gear" works better than "I can't take the second-hand smoke" precisely because the smoker doesn't have to admit that the smoke is a problem.



(Incidentally, chefchris, that reminds me of the classic quote attributed to Mark Twain: "Stopping smoking is easy to do; I have done it thousands of times!" It all comes down to the pedantry of the definition of "addiction", and I'm not really into linguistics, prescriptive or descriptive. If you wish, you may replace "addition" and its forms with "habit" and the respective forms. I was not writing about the clinical aspects.)

 

[boulderjohn]

I don't believe some smokers have any idea how much their second hand smoke affects the non-smokers around them. For me, cigar smoke is truly nauseating. I remember a day on Grand Cayman when a diver lit up a cigar and stood proudly puffing away right under the "No Smoking" sign in the middle of the boat. The boat held about a dozen people, and everyone else moved as far away as possible, leaving him standing by himself like the statue of liberty. That means that everyone else on the boat chose to put themselves as close as possible to the diesel smoke in order to avoid the cigar smoke. I will take diesel over cigar any day.

He got off the boat early, and as soon as he was out of earshot, his lack of consideration was the prime topic for every other outraged diver. The next thing we talked about was our own failure to do anything about it. Why did a dozen able-bodied divers--including myself--allow this bully to ruin our experience? Finally, we wondered why the boat crew did not do anything about it. The "No Smoking" sign was apparently a suggestion to them. I guess their fear of offending a paying customer allowed them to make a decision that it was better to offend everyone else. For their sake, I hope he left a tip large enough to compensate for the ones we did not leave.

 

[chefchris]

(Incidentally, chefchris, that reminds me of the classic quote attributed to Mark Twain: "Stopping smoking is easy to do; I have done it thousands of times!" It all comes down to the pedantry of the definition of "addiction", and I'm not really into linguistics, prescriptive or descriptive. If you wish, you may replace "addition" and its forms with "habit" and the respective forms. I was not writing about the clinical aspects.)

I smoke in moderation, one cigar at a time.

 

[jefffalcone]

Anything that the majority of people find offensive should not be done in public. Unfortunately for smokers, most people find smoking offensive these days. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. That's democracy.

That being said, I've found that most people are not intentionally rude. If you politely ask people not to smoke, most people will put out their cigar or cigarette, and often appologise for bothering you.

 

[boulderjohn]

By the way, be careful with your posts here. There was a thread similar to this a year or so ago, and I posted something about how offensive second hand smoke was, similar to the one I just posted. I mentioned the fact that I was nicknamed "coughdrop" in elementary school because of my painful chronic childhood bronchitis, a disease almost 100% associated with smoking parents (which I definitely had).

I got a message from a mod about it. Someone had complained. Seems I had crossed the line. I needed to talk in less absolute terms about the dangers of second hand smoke. Lesson learned. People are sensitive about this.