Naui master diver vs divemaster water skills?

[seaducer]

Here is what I would do.
Fly two of you up here and I would make one of you a PADI Master Scuba Diver and the other a NAUI Master Scuba Diver. Then have a third person judge who is the better diver and make sure that neither diver tells the judge.
The diving is great right now and since I am a PADI and NAUI Instructor who has no Ax to grind and no desire to try and sound like I know all there is to know about diving(I don't).
It would be fun and good for me as well. PM me if you really want to know what I think about PADI and NAUI.

Hmm, well I am a PADI Master Scuba Diver, maybe I will take the NAUI course and let you know...

 

[Walter]

Plus certification up to the rescue course. The AOW and Rescue classes do not count towards the 5 specialty classes, they are in addition to.

True, but both require advanced certification (NAUI's advanced is slightly better, IMO, than PADI's as it requires more academics and one more dive) and each of the dives in PADI's AOW do count toward the first dive in the same PADI specialty. While NAUI's Master Diver does not require Rescue as a prerequisite, it is a part of the course. BTW, if you have a PADI Rescue certification that is dated prior to June 1, 1984, it counts toward the 5 specialty certifications, so you only need another 4.

I am not sure but I seem to remember on a previous diver master master diver thread that the NAUI course contains roughly the same physics and other acedemic information as the DM courses do, where it differs is in "demonstration" level skills.

I've seen that myself. Heck, shooting from the hip, I may have even said it myself, but that is not spelled out in the standards.

 

[rigdiver]

Part of the reason the NAUI Master Diver course was created is because we saw candidates that were "light" on physics in ITC's. This was a way to guarantee all were "exposed" to a proper dose of the good stuff.
Bill

 

[Thalassamania]

I understood that Rescue had to be completed before DM, etc.

Correct.

 

[bookofmaya]

Hmmm... should I consider Naui or Padi... geeze my first quest was to find a good Roatan divemaster internship and now after reading this thread I need to reevaluate and also take into consideration of Naui versus Padi. Can it get anymore confusing?

 

[Walter]

Hmmm... should I consider Naui or Padi... geeze my first quest was to find a good Roatan divemaster internship and now after reading this thread I need to reevaluate and also take into consideration of Naui versus Padi. Can it get anymore confusing?

Before you go pro, you should study several agencies and get a good feel for their philosophies. Find one that's a good match for your philosophy. If you're teaching for one and your philosophies don't match, you'll be miserable.

There are two major philosophies on teaching diving. Only you can decide which viewpoint is right for you.

Philosophy 1.

Diving is fun and easy. It is possible to make the course easy as well if we eliminate skills that might possibly frighten anyone on their first day of class. If too many skills are included it results in task loading which will interfere with a student learning necessary tasks and make them an unsafe diver.

Philosophy 2.

Diving is fun and easy. It is possible to make the course easy as well if we begin with simple skills and allow plenty of practice time on each skill. Once a simple skill is mastered, other elements are added to the skill allowing plenty of time to practice each element. When those added elements are mastered, still more elements are added in the same manner. By approaching skill development in this manner we are able to teach quite complex skills in a manner that makes it easy for students. Skills that might seem frightening to a student on the first day of class are a logical and easy progression by the time those skills are presented in class. This gives a student confidence and the ability to solve problems without panic.

To those we introduce the concept of rigid rules or flexibility and trust.

Some agencies believe instructors must be kept in line - these skills must be taught in these session.

Other agencies believe instructors are able to design their own class around the agency standards - here are the required skills, teach them as you see best.

Next we either lock the instructor in to the letter of the standards or we allow them the ability to exceed standards.

I prefer an agency that requires more skills and more time working on those skills, that allows me the flexibilty to design my own class by teaching all the required material when and how works best for my students and me and allows me to exceed the published standards. Other instructors like to teach fewer skills, like the security of being told when to teach what and never exceeding standards. Find an agency that fits you.

 

[Thalassamania]

Before you go pro, you should study several agencies and get a good feel for their philosophies. Find one that's a good match for your philosophy. If you're teaching for one and your philosophies don't match, you'll be miserable.

There are two major philosophies on teaching diving. Only you can decide which viewpoint is right for you.

Philosophy 1.

Diving is fun and easy. It is possible to make the course easy as well if we eliminate skills that might possibly frighten anyone on their first day of class. If too many skills are included it results in task loading which will interfere with a student learning necessary tasks and make them an unsafe diver.

From what I've seen in over three decades of teaching this approach is self limiting to what I'd call a Beginner.

Philosophy 2.

Diving is fun and easy. It is possible to make the course easy as well if we begin with simple skills and allow plenty of practice time on each skill. Once a simple skill is mastered, other elements are added to the skill allowing plenty of time to practice each element. When those added elements are mastered, still more elements are added in the same manner. By approaching skill development in this manner we are able to teach quite complex skills in a manner that makes it easy for students. Skills that might seem frightening to a student on the first day of class are a logical and easy progression by the time those skills are presented in class. This gives a student confidence and the ability to solve problems without panic.

I've seen entry level students who were trained this way that actually were able to reach the level of Competent and in extended programs Proficient.

 

[Walter]

Philosophy 1.

From what I've seen in over three decades of teaching this approach is self limiting to what I'd call a Beginner.

Philosophy 2.

I've seen entry level students who were trained this way that actually were able to reach the level of Competent and in extended programs Proficient.

No argument there, that's why I wouldn't teach for an agency that believes in the 1st philosophy.

 

[still new]

As I sit here reading all the opinions of those wise divers who condemn one system in favor of another I wonder why. All I know is that I have chosen PADI due to the fact it is available herewhere I live. I am working toward the unrespected Master Diver Level where I only have to buy a card. Well remember while I only have to buy a card what about all the other training I have taken to get to the level of "ONLY BUYING A CARD"! I think we as divers should be ready to help each other as divers not by the programs we take. I guess it is the same as a graduate of UCLA not being recognized by a graduate of Texas A&M. Lets stop the condemnation and lets all go diving!

 

[JDMerk]

What do you know? your just a punny Master Diver from Canada???

J/K