Finally Buying Diving Gear, which is best?

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Got the wife a Mares Puck a few years back. Nice little recreational computer (just don't expect support from the company). The single button gives some folks fits, but we all have reasons for our likes and dislikes....

One plus is that it can be put in gauge mode. It's good, but not great.
 
I really don't mind spending some money on a great dive computer, mainly because I would like to buy one and have it be great for all the types of diving I'm interested in. instead of buying a <$300 now and then a >$800 one in the future, i rather just buy a >$800 now.



But why would you buy a Sherwood Wisdom for $800.00 ?
 
Hello,

I had just recently gotten OW certified and now I want to move onto AOW and wreck diving. The training is SDI/TDI and I was told I would need my own gear (BC/Reg/Computer) to continue on with the AOW courses (is this normal?). The dive shop had packages that were already put together and I just wanted to know what everyone thought about some of these brands/prices.

BC- I could choose from a ScubaPro Ladyhawk or a Seahawk (I would end up going with the lady hawk with AIR II)- $780
Regulator- ScubaPro MK11/S360 -$424
Computer- Wisdom3 W/ Q/D Hose and Compass (CG1225) computer (air integrated and can be used with nitrox)-$805

Total (w/ student discount)-$1700

I've seen posts where people have said ladyhawk is just "expensive junk", and if anyone knows some about the regulator that would be great! As of now I'm only diving in Florida (Keys and east coast), but i'm thinking of expanding my diving into cold water at some point. So buying 1 reg that will work with both environments is best for me.

I've also seen posts that go both ways about Air II, i personally enjoy it because its compact and out of the way vs. and octo. But I read that Air II is not acceptable for cave diving. But perhaps, by the time I get to cave diving I will want/need a new regulator or a different BC anyways?

Is it worth buying the best of the best to start with, or to wait until I have gone on more dives and have more certifications?

Thank you,

Christine

There really is no best. I will give you the internet answer, my gear is best, your gear is less so. That being answered from a personal perspective. Obviously most people think what they have is the best or best value or they would not have come to own it, unless they found it.

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As for all the comments about the dive shop- I am (unfortunately)limited to this one specific shop (personal reasons), I already know that their prices are a little higher than other shops :/

I really don't mind spending some money on a great dive computer, mainly because I would like to buy one and have it be great for all the types of diving I'm interested in. instead of buying a <$300 now and then a >$800 one in the future, i rather just buy a >$800 now. Can anyone recommend some good BP/W brands? I've looked at scubapro but I'd like to get a full range of options!
It would be useful to know what brands your chosen shop sells. I've tried to mostly limit my comments to options you have due to your purchase limitations but there might be equally good or better options than have been suggested. Are they also a DiveRite dealer? Or HOG/Edge? Hollis/Oceanic? Do they have a website with brands listed we could look at and possibly cherry-pick the best options for you?

I will state that personally I'm not a Sherwood fan. IMO they're a lesser quality brand sold to meet a price point.
 
Hello,

I had just recently gotten OW certified and now I want to move onto AOW and wreck diving. The training is SDI/TDI and I was told I would need my own gear (BC/Reg/Computer) to continue on with the AOW courses (is this normal?). The dive shop had packages that were already put together and I just wanted to know what everyone thought about some of these brands/prices.

BC- I could choose from a ScubaPro Ladyhawk or a Seahawk (I would end up going with the lady hawk with AIR II)- $780
Regulator- ScubaPro MK11/S360 -$424
Computer- Wisdom3 W/ Q/D Hose and Compass (CG1225) computer (air integrated and can be used with nitrox)-$805

Total (w/ student discount)-$1700

I've seen posts where people have said ladyhawk is just "expensive junk", and if anyone knows some about the regulator that would be great! As of now I'm only diving in Florida (Keys and east coast), but i'm thinking of expanding my diving into cold water at some point. So buying 1 reg that will work with both environments is best for me.

I've also seen posts that go both ways about Air II, i personally enjoy it because its compact and out of the way vs. and octo. But I read that Air II is not acceptable for cave diving. But perhaps, by the time I get to cave diving I will want/need a new regulator or a different BC anyways?

Is it worth buying the best of the best to start with, or to wait until I have gone on more dives and have more certifications?

Thank you,

Christine
Christine, why are you limited to that dive shop?

If you plan to go wreck, tech, cave absolutely go with the BPW. If you are outside the "one size fits all" proportions, a BPW is very adaptable to a wide variety of shapes and there are some manufactures that make small to tall options.

With tech, cave you will eventually need doubles. A BPW system can progress with you unless you decide on sidemount. Then you will need a different BC but the BPW will likely still be your go to rig when you do recreational dives.

As to regs. Scubapro has great options including cold water and Apeks as already mentioned has models that meet all your interests.

Computer, that's a tough one. You can "go for the best" now and buy a back up later or go for a modest computer now and use it as a backup to your tech computer in the future. Just make sure it has a gauge mode, most do. Either way is "right" just your choice which way to go. Right now the Petrel 2, or the soon to be released Perdix, is the SB golden child but is way more then you need. I started with an Oceanic Veo for the first 3+ years. Still have it. I do recommend a wrist model.

With your plans you will eventually need a long hose setup but that is easy to arrange in the future so if you dont want too many immediate changes, stick with the traditional hose or better yet consider the short hose bungeed backup with your primary on a 36 to 40 inch hose routed under your right arm. If interested, most any of us can link info.

And last forget the Air 2. There is nothing wrong with it but it will not grow with you in you planned dives.
 
Apeks DS4 and XTX50

I used it on open water, it started cave diving with me, I use them on bailout, deco cylinders and my rebreather. Fail safe reg and cheap


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My recommendations for both comparison and for buying are;

1. Divegearexpress
2. Diverightinscuba
3. DeepseaSupply

There are others but the above will be lots for you to look into.
Thanks for the plug. If you go to the site, you will find someone online who can help match your needs. If you call and ask for Chris or Mike, they will put together the best possible package for you. One advantage to this is that you will have access to a truly wide range of options, not just what one typical store sells.

I can understand why you might be limited to the shop for instructional purposes for personal reasons, but are you also limited for purchases? The difference in price is going to be significant if you are.
 
I would reconsider your reg choice and look at the ScubaPro Mk21/S600 or G260 sets. The one thing no one has mentioned is that you are talking about going coldwater in the future. If you are using an air integrated PC then you will need an HP port for that, one HP port for your SPG plus four LP ports for, second stages (X2), BC inflator and a dry suit inflator hose. If you don't plan out your first stage now you will end up buying a second one later. I have the Mk11 and moved to the Mk25 because I got it on a killer deal on it. I love the breathing of the Mk25 much better than the Mk11. I believe the Mk21 is a sealed first stage which would be good in caves/wrecks due to floating debris. I have also heard from a friend that owns both the 21 and 25 that the 21 breathes every bit as good as the 25.

Stay away from the ScubaPro X-Tek wing, it is as stated above, a poor excuse to try and keep up with the real players in the BP&W game. Check out Jim's setup or Divegearexpress.

NO Air2, NO Air2, NO Air2, NO Air2, NO Air2, NO Air2, NO Air2, NO Air2, NO Air2, NO Air2, NO Air2, NO Air2. LOL...those things suck! Like Jim siad, with a 36" or longer hose you can keep an OOA/panicked diver out of your face and you can control them better.


Good luck with your purchases...
 
Dive computers can be a bit of a religious issue, particularly when it comes to AI. I absolutely love AI and won't do without it. Many opt to have their SPG in a position that can easily be seen with a quick glance down. But, that doesn't work so well if you are diving at night (which I love) or you dive in dark waters (like I dive in the Pacific Northwest) as you have to shine a light on it. I'd rather not have to do this. Since I'm often task loaded with shooting a large camera setup, I like to keep track of my gas supply with a glance to a bright OLED screen on my wrist.

Now some will surely criticize me for what I'm about to say.

When I am not in training dives and I'm diving a tec setup/doubles, I attach my transmitter to my right post. I love AI and it is that simple. Some will say that AI fails with losing a link. It all depends on which dive computer you have. I purchased the Aeris A300 CS as soon as it came out. There were a number of manufacturing issues. I'm on my fourth one now I believe. Now it is solid as a rock. Never loses connection. The only issue that I have is that the battery life is poor. So I have a number of rechargeable batteries. The latest firmware warns if the battery is low, so I can easily swap batteries when I'm back on the boat/shore.

Just something to think about.

With regards to dealing with OOA divers, the few recreational divers with whom I've spoken to who have had to deal with that, all of them had their regs ripped out of their mouths, so I question the usefulness of the long hose for that scenario. Maybe it has happened, where an OOA diver signaled "OOA" and then "share air" and the donor either handed them a reg or showed where the receiver would grab it. But I'm guessing not that often. For my vacation setup, I do have an Air2 to be more streamlined, though in a bit of contradiction, I do always have a pony bottle (which introduces drag), as usually taking pictures, I'm essentially diving solo.

Hopefully you'll find divers with varied configurations who are willing to share their equipment with you (yes, I know that there is a liability issue in doing such) so that you can get a feel of what you really want. There are so many options that can be overwhelming.

If anyone mentioned dive lights, I've missed it. I really love Big Blue for the price/performance ratio.

Scuba diving is like crack. Once addicted, you'll be spending a lot of money to support your habit as you venture into different types of diving. I do agree that when it comes to regs, spending money upfront is a good idea. I have 6 regs: 2 ScubaPro MK25/S600's on my doubles, 1 IST (forget which one), 2 Apex XTX50's for my single tank setup, 1 ScubaPro MK11 and I forget what 2nd stage for an oxygen clean deco bottle. The MK25/S600 breathes so incredibly easily compared to the IST (on a 30 cu ft pony/deco bottle), and slightly better than the Apex regulators. I find that this helps me relax and thus helps with lowering my SAC. With teaching, I have full setups so I can quickly switch from one kind of diving to another. Eventually I'll get a nice sidemount setup, as when I travel and want to do longer/deeper dives, I can be using 2 AL80 tanks.

I hope that something in my rambling is useful to you.
 
I have lots of regs.

Two apeks DS4 with Poseidon cyklon second stage
Twelve apeks DS4s with apeks XTX50 second stages
9 apeks DS4s for rebreathers
Two apeks DS4s for suit inflation

It's got 4 LP ports, 1 HP port.

I've used them back mounted singles and doubles in the UK. Sidemount cave diving, stage regs, deco regs, rebreather regs everything.

The HP ports might be a deal breaker for you if you want to use AI. My advice? Don't use AI.

If you ever get into more advanced diving, you won't use AI.

If your AI breaks, you then have to relearn checking SPGs or don't dive

AI is expensive

You don't NEED AI. Nobody needs AI.

I have also heard good things about scubapro, but they're not a big brand in the UK so can't comment much.

Computer? Just get summat cheap. Anything cheap.

BCD? I'd get a backplate and wing. It'll grow with your diving and encourage good, streamlined set up. I don't know what brands are big in Canada but I like X-deep and Agir Brokk for these.


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