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With regards to dealing with OOA divers, the few recreational divers with whom I've spoken to who have had to deal with that, all of them had their regs ripped out of their mouths, so I question the usefulness of the long hose for that scenario. Maybe it has happened, where an OOA diver signaled "OOA" and then "share air" and the donor either handed them a reg or showed where the receiver would grab it. But I'm guessing not that often.

I admit that I have never been in an OOA situation and hope to never. I am going through Stress and Rescue and having a fighting diver in my face is not something I want to have happen if I can avoid it. A panicked diver may grab my second but I have my octo on a bungee right under my chin where I can find it fast. At 6'+ I can lock my arm and keep a diver at arms length. You can't do that with an air2 or a short hose. I am not saying I have all the answers but that is how I am being trained currently.
 
All the major brands have more technical gear divisions that your shop can order. Aqualung has Apeks, Oceanic has Hollis, scubapro has X-tek, etc. I've only used a Halcyon BP/W, but they all work. Some might be a bit better suited to you than others. They need a bit more setup than a typical BCD to dial it into your body, but there are guides online that will get you close enough. The most common computer I've seen with more serious divers is a shearwater in either gauge or computer mode. The legibility of their display is great. I've got a couple of Suuntos and they are fine, but having to light them up to see the screen gets more annoying than you might think.
 
Amazing how strongly people think about their equipment recommendations, especially those that appear to have very limited experience. Get out and dive. Brand loyalty is becoming more and more important with such a small number of OEM.
 
I'm personally not a fan of suunto computers, BUT they are very popular and are quite cheap if you shop around. That could be very good for you.


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Amazing how strongly people think about their equipment recommendations, especially those that appear to have very limited experience. Get out and dive. Brand loyalty is becoming more and more important with such a small number of OEM.

Just because some of us don't have 1000 dives does not mean we don't what good equipment is. We more than likely learned from someone with a 1000 or more dives, I know I did.
 
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I admit that I have never been in an OOA situation and hope to never. I am going through Stress and Rescue and having a fighting diver in my face is not something I want to have happen if I can avoid it. A panicked diver may grab my second [Kosta: I think you meant primary, correct?] but I have my octo on a bungee right under my chin where I can find it fast. At 6'+ I can lock my arm and keep a diver at arms length. You can't do that with an air2 or a short hose. I am not saying I have all the answers but that is how I am being trained currently.

If a panicked diver comes from behind you, you won't be able to stiff arm them if they grab your primary. While grabbing a bungeed octo under your chin is faster than an Air2, I don't think it is significantly faster. As a photographer, I probably won't see an OOA diver coming.
 
While grabbing a bungeed octo under your chin is faster than an Air2, I don't think it is significantly faster.

The bungeed secondary(not octo) might not be any faster to get to than an Air2, but it would almost certainly be a higher quality reg for you to breathe off for the remainder of the dive.
 
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I admit that I have never been in an OOA situation and hope to never. I am going through Stress and Rescue and having a fighting diver in my face is not something I want to have happen if I can avoid it. A panicked diver may grab my second [Kosta: Actually I meant second stage but primary works too] but I have my octo on a bungee right under my chin where I can find it fast. At 6'+ I can lock my arm and keep a diver at arms length. You can't do that with an air2 or a short hose. I am not saying I have all the answers but that is how I am being trained currently.



If a panicked diver comes from behind you, you won't be able to stiff arm them if they grab your primary. While grabbing a bungeed octo under your chin is faster than an Air2, I don't think it is significantly faster. As a photographer, I probably won't see an OOA diver coming.

Maybe not at first but you can bet I will get my hands on them before they take off for the surface so they don't drag me up with them.
 
The bungeed secondary(not octo) might not be any faster to get to than an Air2, but it would almost certainly be a higher quality reg for you to breathe off for the remainder of the dive.

And doesn't require any potentially fancy acrobatics to vent gas on that task loaded ascent.
 
If a panicked diver comes from behind you, you won't be able to stiff arm them if they grab your primary. While grabbing a bungeed octo under your chin is faster than an Air2, I don't think it is significantly faster. As a photographer, I probably won't see an OOA diver coming.

The difference in speed between getting the two versions of the alternates to your mouth is not an issue worth arguing about. If you keep your head, you can take your sweet time getting your alternate--a difference of a second or two won't make as much difference to you as it will to the OOA diver. That diver will usually want the air fast because of the state of mind; you should be more in control.

So how will that OOA diver act?

In my 11+ years on ScubaBoard, I have read countless threads in which people tell us with firm conviction how an OOA diver is going to act. I think I have seen every possibility asserted with that firm conviction. The only time I have been even near a real OOA incident was about 11 years ago, when I first became a professional. In that incident, a young woman had evidently geared up to a nearly empty tank and had not noticed the air level, because she went OOA about 10 minutes into the dive. She calmly swam over to her husband and took his octo. They completed a textbook ascent after that, with the rest of their group calmly ascending with them. Curious, I polled the other professionals associated with the shop and learned that only a handful had been near OOA emergencies, and every case was like that--the OOA diver went for the alternate without any sign of panic.

So do I assume that all OOA emergencies will be like that? Nope. I assume that those who report other situations are telling the truth, so I really cannot predict what will happen in a real OOA emergency. That is why I tell my students they have to be ready for anything. In my own practice, I have made the following decisions.

1. I need to react appropriately to that diver. Signalling OOA? Here's your regulator. Grabbing for my regulator? Take it--I'll let you. If I try to donate it while you're taking it, we can end up with a fumbled mess as our hands compete with each other's.

2. The last thing I want to do is get in an underwater fight with a truly hysterically panicked diver. If I think that person is going to crawl all over me and harm me, I will fend that person off, but otherwise the OOA diver is usually going to get what he or she wants. Unexpectedly ripping the regulator out of my mouth? Be my guest. I'll open wide so I don't lose any teeth. We can sort things out later.

3. I learned the bungeed alternate in tech diving and then brought it into my recreational practices when I heard about a woman who drowned when she went OOA. Her buddy's octo had come out of its holder and she could not locate it. An OOA diver will want guaranteed access to a working regulator immediately, and the one in my mouth will do nicely. I'm happy to loan it out.

4. I learned about the long hose primary in tech diving and brought it into my recreational practices as well. It gives me lots of options in dealing with that diver. Donating the long hose is fast and easy, much faster and easier than donating the octo from the golden triangle. We can cling to each other as in the standard octo process, or we can separate and swim either next to each other or in single file, whichever makes the most sense in the situation.

5. I am not opposed to the integrated octo on the inflator hose to the degree most tech divers are. It can work. What I mostly don't like about it is the complications of venting air from a hose with the end in your mouth as you ascend while your right arm is engaged with the other diver (assuming a short hose). I've never done it, but I do know it requires you to do something you probably have never really practiced at a time when your mind might be otherwise occupied.
 
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