When does diving become "ridiculous"?

[doctormike]

You cannot be serious!
There are plenty stories about climbers perished when they tried to help their fellow companions in distress.

I believe Stoo was referring to recovery operations, not rescue operations. Very different thing.

 

[Stoo]

I believe Stoo was referring to recovery operations, not rescue operations. Very different thing.

I was.

 

[CptTightPants21]

I fully support and expect people to retrieve bodies in a cave, I don't have an issue with bodies being left on the mountain. The conditions and situations are completely different and not comparable.

 

[Centrals]

I believe Stoo was referring to recovery operations, not rescue operations. Very different thing.

Put the question on mountaineering forum and wait.

 

[PfcAJ]

I fully support and expect people to retrieve bodies in a cave, I don't have an issue with bodies being left on the mountain. The conditions and situations are completely different and not comparable.

True. I while 've only been to the start of the khumbu icefall on Everest and can assure the world that it's way different than a cave recovery.

 

[Stoo]

I have resisted saying this until now, but I wanted to ask how you guys doing these dives like the one being discussed get your balls through the restrictions. Sidemount? Or is there a no-mount option we mortals aren't aware of???

 

[PfcAJ]

I have resisted saying this until now, but I wanted to ask how you guys doing these dives like the one being discussed get your balls through the restrictions. Sidemount? Or is there a no-mount option we mortals aren't aware of???

It's the buoyancy of the big brass balls that's the toughest thing to contend with.

 

[Lorenzoid]

It's not diving but this thread that's becoming "ridiculous." Certainly got me laughing, though. Carry on!

 

[DavidFL]

Have been lurking; thinking about posting; abrupt tonal shift in the last couple of threads, but here goes anyway:

I have been reading the EN thread and had some internal thoughts about how deep and complicated the diver was; some not-well-articulated thoughts run through my head about the risk/reward balance in a dive like that. So I think this thread is useful to me.

On the subject of why some folks do something that others might conclude are ridiculous I have a little experience. I was a Navy pilot of single-seat, single-engine, aircraft carrier based airplanes in my youth, and like nearly everyone in that profession was involved in mishaps; some serious and fatal. After one particular fatal mishap that occurred during a routine formation rendezvous after takeoff from a land-based-runway, one of the survivors turned in his wings and never flew again in the Navy; the others were flying again the next morning. To me at least, both of those decisions were rational. Yes, I know that's a professional situation and not a recreational one, but the decision to fly is still voluntary every time.

Like so many other things in life, it's highly personal and it's highly 'individual' and I've learned to my satisfaction that I really can't 'get into someone else's head'.

 

[mdb]

Have been lurking; thinking about posting; abrupt tonal shift in the last couple of threads, but here goes anyway:

I have been reading the EN thread and had some internal thoughts about how deep and complicated the diver was; some not-well-articulated thoughts run through my head about the risk/reward balance in a dive like that. So I think this thread is useful to me.

On the subject of why some folks do something that others might conclude are ridiculous I have a little experience. I was a Navy pilot of single-seat, single-engine, aircraft carrier based airplanes in my youth, and like nearly everyone in that profession was involved in mishaps; some serious and fatal. After one particular fatal mishap that occurred during a routine formation rendezvous after takeoff from a land-based-runway, one of the survivors turned in his wings and never flew again in the Navy; the others were flying again the next morning. To me at least, both of those decisions were rational. Yes, I know that's a professional situation and not a recreational one, but the decision to fly is still voluntary every time.

Like so many other things in life, it's highly personal and it's highly 'individual' and I've learned to my satisfaction that I really can't 'get into someone else's head'.

Very good post DavidFL.

As you said we cannot get into another persons head..

We can learn from mistakes and mishaps.

Some post with self righteous opinions-the "I am the expert" types. No information there.

Most posts in these threads coming from the recent EN incident seem thoughtful and informative.

A friend and fraternity brother was a USN pilot. He was selected to train pilots @ Pensacola.

He volunteered for Swift Boat duty in Vietnam: "Those student pilots were trying to kill me."

Risk is relative.