MSargeant
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I use the adjustable/sliding D rings, works fine for me , i have also used 2 d rings per side one for when the cylinders are full and another for when they're empty but i definitely prefer the sliders. To each their own.
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Using rubber rings from xDeep Stealth and like it a lot.
I do believe that each diver needs to grow into his rig, be it SM or BM.
IWhile I agree in principle, I can see why PADI, and any agency for that matter, would hesitate to stipulate to a greater degree. You said it yourself:I can see the value of an outcome-based standard as suggested, though. A very good question. I wonder how many agencies offering SM courses have standards even as specific as the ones in the PADI instructor guide? I don't say that to promote PADI or criticize or any agency - I am really curious.
put a triglide and Dring on your waist belt just forward or behind where the shoulder strap attaches. Move the rear clip forward when the butts get light.
Are you currently diving the XDeep stealth or just using that style D-ring? Mine is on order and I'm waiting for it to come in.
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Yes, hence my hesitation!beanojones:eqiipment standards are a double edged sword.
A very good point! I think some practices continue simply because of history and inertia, and evolve into 'standards' because most people seem to be doing them (albeit, simply because of history and inertia). I was watching a Dive Rite video the other day in which Lamar discusses the regulator set up for sidemount. In that video, he discusses putting the long hose on the LEFT bottle and the bungee necklace on the right side. I don't do it that way, never thought of doing it that way, but I also can't think of a reason not to. The use of a long hose / bungeed necklace set-up for SM came out of back-mount, as far as I can tell. Most of the early SM divers started as BM divers, and carried over practices from one configuration to the other. The long hose / bungeed necklace does not necessarily have quite the same utility in independent doubles. At the same time, more than a few SM divers and SM instructors use a long hose on each bottle. Some use a 7 ft hose on each bottle, some use a 5 ft. I am on the fence - stuck in historical inertia to a certain extent. I started SM with the 'traditional' hose configuration (because I came to SM from BM), after a while switched to two 5 ft hoses. Then, I switched back to the 'traditional'. I teach new SM divers that such a configuration is common with BM doubles, that using it in SM is functional (if they balance their gas consumption from each bottle), but they will see other approaches. Most of my OW SM students have come from BM doubles, and they 'get' the set-up.The one I have a particular issue with is PADI's insistence that the long hose for Tec Sidemount has to be on the right tank. There are historical reasons to standardize BM doubles that simply do not exist for SM doubles. As far as I can remember, in fact, in requiring the long hose on the right tank the SM course is more specific than general Tec standards.
On one hand, I can see why they went this route - it is 'common', if not 'standard', and the individual who is probably most responsible for PADI's move into sidemount came from a BM background. It was a good starting point. On the other, making it a standard imposes some burdens on instructors and actually has the potential to dampen enthusiasm for innovation. Better that it be a recommendation rather than a standard, in my view. But, that gets right back at the heart of one of Andy's posts in this thread. Is it better to have the configuration as a standard, so that students know that SM is a tangible configuration? There is merit in that. I just don't know how far to go. For example, I use omni-swivels on both second stages. I show students that configuration, and some have adopted it. There are SM divers who use a fixed angle adapter, and would suggest that omni-swivels are dangerous. I would not recommend them as a standard. But, I sure don't want them prohibited because because a fixed angle swivel becomes a 'standard'.beanojones:I had some discussions with PADI about this back when they first published the Sidemount outlines; and they hemmed and hawed but in the end they said standards are standards.
I horribly disagree with number 4. What skill problem could there be?
As for the DR comment. Why would you offer it in a long hose on either reg configuration? Logistically stores now have to stock both, and maintain a stock of two items. Items that are so easily switched at the user level.
Hey..guess what... I get bubbles out of my long hose... get which cylinder I'm gonna shut down? How do those instincts work when you're swapping regs/hoses on either side from dive to dive?
It's not clear if DR do offer a 'conventional' sidemount package... or whether the reg can be set-up with the hose on either side?
In a Hog configuration you donate what you are breathing and switch to your backup. Exactly what I do. SM diving is not hog diving. How is a short hose / long hose combo where you donate at times the reg you are not breathing any closer to hog setups then what I do?I was thinking along the lines of; they complete Tec Sidemount, followed by Tec40 in sidemount. Then they opt to complete Tec45 in backmount. At that stage, they shouldn't be learning the fundamentals of hogarthian hose rigging.
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