First Liveaboard -- what to consider and expect....

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Check the average water temp for the area at the time of year you thinking of taking a liveaboard trip. One year we did a land-based dive trip to Nassau during the Spring and I was cold even in a full heavy wetsuit. With all the diving opportunities you get on a liveaboard, I would prefer to be warm - but maybe water temp isn't as big of a deal to you? The Bahamas in early November will be warm water but by January it will be quite a bit colder.

The big liveaboard operators sometimes offer sales and after you take the first cruise with them you will be eligible for some discounts on later trips.

Our first liveaboard trip was on Blackbeards and someone mentioned that it is "camping at sea" and that is a very accurate description. Our bed was a shared shelf in the galley with a curtain and the boat ran out of fresh water for showers after a few days.

I'm not complaining, we were young and it was a bargain and it introduced us to liveaboard diving; but we quickly decided that we wanted more amenities, like a (small) cabin and a tiny private ensuite bathroom and shower. You get what you pay for!
 
Our first liveaboard trip was on Blackbeards and someone mentioned that it is "camping at sea" and that is a very accurate description. Our bed was a shared shelf in the galley with a curtain and the boat ran out of fresh water for showers after a few days.

I have heard such things about that boat, but Blackbeards type bargain basement lievaboards are the exception rather than rule. Aqua Cat, also plying the Bahamas, is more of a 'proper' liveaboard.
All the Aggressor & Explorer boats cruising the region have good shared cabins with en suite facilities. Same is true of most liveaboard diving boats operating in other regions these days.
 
I have heard such things about that boat, but Blackbeards type bargain basement lievaboards are the exception rather than rule. Aqua Cat, also plying the Bahamas, is more of a 'proper' liveaboard.
All the Aggressor & Explorer boats cruising the region have good shared cabins with en suite facilities. Same is true of most liveaboard diving boats operating in other regions these days.

Yes, after our first and only Blackbeards experience we've done trips on aggressors, explorers, peter hughes, and other higher end liveaboards and they were worth the extra money.
 
I've posted the info below on previous threads specific to the two most common liveaboard questions:
  • "What should I bring on a liveaboard?"
  • "What's the deal with tipping on a liveaboard?"

Pack what you think you should bring into your suitcase. Then remove half of what you packed. Then remove half of what's left. Now look at what's left... you still have too much stuff.

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My buddy (tajkd, above) and I have liveaboard packing pretty much down to the point that we don't bring much more than the clothes we are wearing, the clothes that are hanging up to dry, cameras, one laptop, iPods, and our dive gear.

The most important thing to bring on a liveaboard is a sense of humor and a generally good, positive attitude. If you're not familiar with boats - much less living on one - here's a few FACTS about boats:
  • everything on a boat breaks
  • everything on a boat leaks
  • everything on a boat gets wet
  • nothing on a boat every really dries
  • everything on a boat smells like a boat; where things break, get wet, and never really dry
  • anything that doesn't smell like a boat smells like people who live on a boat
  • everything mechanical on a boat is very loud (until it breaks; then it becomes very quiet)
  • everything non-mechanical on a boat creaks and/or rattles (until it breaks in; then it gets very quiet; that's usually the day before it breaks)
  • everything on a boat is small
  • if something is not small, it's not on the boat
  • if something is not available on the island/mainland, it's not on the boat
  • if something is not on the boat, it's not on the boat
  • if you need something specific but didn't bring it, it's not on the boat
  • even things that are usually on the boat are often not on the boat
  • most things that happen on a boat happen simply "because it's a boat"
A thousand major/minor/uncomfortable/disgusting/annoying/inconvenient things can go wrong on a boat over the course of a year. Statistically, that means that 20 of them will happen the week you're on board. You won't notice 15 of them. Will any of the the other 5 things ruin your trip? Honestly - other than a condition which presents a clear and imminent safety or health issue - whether or not something ruins your trip is entirely up to you. I choose to focus on the things like diving that make my trip enjoyable; folks who choose to focus on things that will ruin their trip can always find something that will.

But, as an optimist, keep in mind that you also get to take the good with the bad...
  • everything GOOD that happens on a live-aboard happens "because it's a boat"
  • you're never more than an hour or so from the next dive, the next meal, the next nap, or your first drink - because it's a boat
  • you set your gear up once and don't worry about it again - because it's a boat
  • you're right over the dive site - because it's a boat
  • two hours later you're right over the next dive site - because it's a boat
  • it's a twenty foot walk from your last bite of desert after dinner to your night dive - because it's a boat
  • it's a ten foot walk from your night dive to a hot shower - because it's a boat
  • it's a twenty foot walk from the hot shower to a cold beer - because it's a boat
  • it's a twenty foot walk from the cold beer to your bed - because it's a boat
  • when you wake up the next morning to the smell of coffee and waffles...you're right over the next great dive site - because it's a boat
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Tipping? I can only provide my American perspective. But first, if you're reading this and you a.) are not American, b.) disagree in principle with the societal convention of tipping in certain cultures, or c.) are otherwise too cheap to tip --- don't bother reading on if you're simply going to dog-pile this thread with general "I don't believe in tipping...crew should be paid...not my fault...I don't need their help...I already paid enough for the trip...no one tips me when I do my job" type of responses. There's plenty of threads elsewhere for that. When it comes to liveaboard diving: "If you can afford the trip, you can afford to tip."

To put liveaboard tipping in context, break it down this way: Imagine the same dive trip but not living aboard. You're dining out three meals a day for 6 days, having a drink or two at a bar every day for 6 days, you're doing a 2-tank morning charter, a 2-tank afternoon charter, and a night dive charter every day for 6 days. With even conservative tipping on boat dives and budget-minded meals, you'd be looking at handing out more than $300 in gratuities over the course of the week. Well, the crew on the liveaboard are "the servers" for all the things listed above. Some have proposed a figure of "10% of trip cost" which is a good start; perhaps going to 15% to avoid being chintzy on lower priced charters.

Now further consider that the crew also works 16hrs a day doing everything else that needs to get done on a boat. Including tidying your cabin daily, making your bed daily, cleaning your toilet daily, etc. Good crews on good boats - luckily have never experienced a bad one - will wait on you hand and foot above water and below while you're awake. When you fall asleep they're working a few more hours to make sure tomorrow is even better. Then, when they go to bed, it's four of them in a cabin smaller than yours, under/behind/adjacent to the engine room and generators, that they live in for several months at a stretch, with effectively everything they own during that time. (Seriously, it would be illegal to house convicted felons in the same fashion. They deserve a good tip merely for mustering a smile once during any given day.) From what I understand, on the typical liveaboard the base salary they receive for that week's work is on the order of US$100-$150 a week. To be very clear...they work for tips.

For a week-long trip I budget for $300+ pretty much regardless of the cost of the charter. The + usually takes the form of a couple of extra $20's slipped into the hands of a few individuals who's efforts made my trip particularly enjoyable. I also tend to leave for home shy a backup light or two, maybe a guide with a rusted out illegible SPG finds my backup in his bin after I've headed to the airport, and there's one fabulous guide who has an Atomic Frameless mask now instead of the genuine piece-of-**** he was diving with when I got on board.

Ultimately, the advice of "tips are at your discretion, whatever you feel is appropriate is the right amount" is the right advice. I simply tend to believe that you should give some real consideration to what's "appropriate" before deciding on the amount. I tip a lot. I've never over-tipped.

Regards,

Ray Purkis
 
+1 on leaving stuff at home. You don't need any shoes except for the ones you take off when you get on the boat and put back on when you leave.
 
Additionally, I've started bringing a handful of this type of spring clamp on dive trips. Very helpful, especially on liveaboard trips.

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You can get a bucket of cheap ones of a few different sizes (typically 2" 3" and 4") at any hardware store for about $10. And do get the cheap ones so when the springs rust out or you lose them you don't care. They weigh next to nothing, and as many as you bring with you... you'll wish you had two more.

Regards,

Ray Purkis
 
Packing -- no, you don't need many clothes; however, bring one thing warm to wear. Nights can get cool on the water. Also, there are no stores! Any non-prescription medication you might need, bring it. If the boat is out of someplace remote, bring a few new sundries. An unopened bottle of Tylenol or Afrin may earn you a friend for life, and be more valuable to a crew member than a small tip. We always tip well and bring a few little things to give away. I remember in the Galapagos one of the guys was very helpful to me -- I gave him an unopened lipstick for his wife. He smiled and said "Thank You" when we tipped him, but when I handed him the lipstick, he grinned from ear to ear.
 
Also, hoping for a relaxing trip.....is it common to see loud kids on some of these trips we should watch out for?

I was 28 the first time I went on a liveaboard trip, in my limited experience my girlfriend and I were always the youngest people on the boat. I don't think you're going to see too many kids on liveaboards.

I'll be honest, I'm not the biggest fan of being around children but the few kids I've seen while diving have all been great. Fat, loudmouth guys who think they're god's gift to diving are much more of an annoyance.
 
Additionally, I've started bringing a handful of this type of spring clamp on dive trips. Very helpful, especially on liveaboard trips...You can get a bucket of cheap ones of a few different sizes (typically 2" 3" and 4") at any hardware store for about $10. And do get the cheap ones so when the springs rust out or you lose them you don't care. They weigh next to nothing, and as many as you bring with you... you'll wish you had two more...

What do you use the clips for? Hanging up wet items? Keeping your gauges and octopus secure?
 
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