Koh Tao in August

[supergaijin]

PADI OW doesn't go in to any underwater rescue techniques.

They do cramp removal for a buddy and a surface tow.

 

[stevenl]

PADI OW doesn't go in to any underwater rescue techniques.

They do cramp removal for a buddy and a surface tow.

The question was: does BSAC still treach basic rescue skills for their OWC? The answer was: controled buoyant lift from 6 meters, secure at surface, and 25 meters tow. PADI does the same plus cramp removal, but BSAC used to require much more.

 

[supergaijin]

Yes, Controlled Buoyant Lift from 6m, make secure on surface, and tow 25m.

So that has changed a lot then, this is the same as the PADI requirements.

And I was replying to you. You were the one to mention PADI and I pointed out that PADI has no underwater rescue skills in OW. Just to make that clear... PADI has no underwater rescue skills in OW- and specifically it doesn't have a Controlled Buoyant Lift from 6m.

To quote a Russian diver in deco from last year: "I think computer mistake".

 

[stevenl]

And I was replying to you. You were the one to mention PADI and I pointed out that PADI has no underwater rescue skills in OW. Just to make that clear... PADI has no underwater rescue skills in OW- and specifically it doesn't have a Controlled Buoyant Lift from 6m.

To quote a Russian diver in deco from last year: "I think computer mistake".

Edward is referring to the BSAC equivalent of the Cesa, which can easily be classified as an underwater rescue skill, and which is part of the PADI open water course. Also 25 meter tired diver tow and cramp removal are rescue skills and part of the open water course. Why did you add 'under water', the question did not mention that?

 

[supergaijin]

Guess we're talking apples and oranges then- I was referring to rescue skills involving a buddy.

CESA or a buoyant emergency ascent are self-rescue skills.

...walks slowly away backwards, keeping eye contact....

 

[Edward3c]

Edward is referring to the BSAC equivalent of the Cesa, which can easily be classified as an underwater rescue skill, and which is part of the PADI open water course. Also 25 meter tired diver tow and cramp removal are rescue skills and part of the open water course. Why did you add 'under water', the question did not mention that?

CESA, BSAC do not teach it.

CBL, invloves:

● 'Mini' CBL
This exercise introduces the technique of controlling another diver's buoyancy. From kneeling position, establish positive hold on casualty (avoid harness quick release fasteners), introduce gas into casualtys' dry suit or BC in short bursts until slight positive buoyancy achieved, once casualty's knees are clear of bottom, vent in bursts to gently lower casualty back onto knees
● CBL
This exercise further develops the control of another diver's buoyancy into a complete lift, which will also necessitate the control of their own buoyancy during the ascent. Commence as for mini lift but continue to surface, venting in bursts to maintain controlled rate of ascent - more frequent as surface is approached. 'Rescuer' controls own buoyancy during ascent. At surface fully inflate casualty's BC to secure casualty at the surface. Signal for assistance (Note: A suitable training signal should be substituted for the emergency signal to avoid misunderstandings by other groups of divers. Ensure however that students do know the real emergency signal and why another is being substituted)
● Tow casualty 25m
Identify suitable item of equipment by which to hold onto the casualty, towing arm kept straight, rescuer swims slightly on one side so that finning action is underneath and across the casualty and rescuer can look over shoulder to see where they are going. Drag and effort required minimised by keeping casualty directly inline with the rescuer

 

[stevenl]

Thanks, now I know again why there are no BSAC courses taught here.

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We're going way off topic here, but supergaijin you were right, there is a much bigger difference than I though in this respect between BSAC and PADI.

 

[Edward3c]

BSAC Ocean Diver was not designed as a commercial competitor to other agencies entry level courses, but the minimum requirements for diving in UK waters. Hence why there are elements not in other agency courses, like buddy rescue and nitrox whom others have as income streams in their own right.


Only last month [sorry May] the BSAC Ocean Diver course was re-certified as meeting the requirements of the ISO Standard (EN 14153-2/ISO 24801-2 - 'Autonomous Diver'), see here.


Kind Regards

 

[lord khram]

So that has changed a lot then, this is the same as the PADI requirements.

Do PADI now do rescue skills as part of the open water course?
BSAC rescue skill requirements go much further beyond what Edward described in the later courses, but those basic skills are necessary to pass the entry level (ocean diver) qualification.
BSAC if things are still the same do not do a specific rescue skills course as the PADI system, the rescue skills are just part of the diving courses as you progress through the levels.
I hope I am not giving mis information as it is many years since I did the BSAC courses, I dare say Edward will correct me if the facts I have stated are now out of date.

 

[Edward3c]

Do PADI now do rescue skills as part of the open water course?
BSAC rescue skill requirements go much further beyond what Edward described in the later courses, but those basic skills are necessary to pass the entry level (ocean diver) qualification.
BSAC if things are still the same do not do a specific rescue skills course as the PADI system, the rescue skills are just part of the diving courses as you progress through the levels.
I hope I am not giving mis information as it is many years since I did the BSAC courses, I dare say Edward will correct me if the facts I have stated are now out of date.

I know this is moving further off topic, but I wanted to give some idea of the buddy rescue that is incorporated into our core training in addition to Ocean Diver.

Sports Diver – Controlled Buoyant Lift (CBL) from 6m. Rescue Breaths (RB) for 1 minute, 25m tow whilst administering 2 RB every 15 seconds, Land and de-kit (with assistance) casualty then remove from water, continue RB on land and place in Recovery Position when instructed.

Assisted Assent (AS) for 10m both as donor an receiver.

Dive Leader – CBL from 15m, RB for 1 minute, 50m tow whilst administering 2 RB every 15 seconds, Land and de-kit (with assistance) casualty then remove from water, commences Basic Life Support (BLS) on land using O2, and place in Recovery Position when instructed. Additionally, the land part is performed again with the student in charge of 2 divers administering BLS.

Assisted Assent (AS) for 15m both as donor an receiver.

Advanced Diver - CBL from 20m, RB for 1 minute, 50m tow whilst administering 2 RB every 15 seconds. The student then is to manage a diving incident scenario to assess their rescue management skills; anything from a lost diver, diver hit by boat, pair surfacing and shouting for help, you name it I’ve run it.

Assisted Assent (AS) for 20m both as donor an receiver.

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BSAC Rescue Specialist comprises the following five Skill Development Courses:
* Life Saving
* Advanced Life Saving
* Diver first Aid
* Practical Rescue Management
* O2 Administration

Regards