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I got my open water with NAUI and wasn't real pleased with the class. It seemed like there was too much time spent on useless book work, and too little time spent on pool work. I ended up getting my advanced cert through a private PDIC instructor, who is actually a LOT cheaper. I can honestly say that I wish I would have done my OW with him.

Either way, try not to get in a big class. That was my biggest problem with the NAUI instructors. There were just too many people for much individual instruction.
 
That's OK, I'm something of a pirate, but not a parrot at all. (that's not a parrot)

How do I find an above average course and how will I know I've found it?


Interview potential instructors. Most people never ask any questions beyond price. As the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for." Excellent instructors will usually have a higher priced class for a number of reasons. The instructor is dedicated toward providing you all the time you need to master necessary knowledge and skills. Extra pool time can be expensive. Keep in mind; the instructor is trying to make a living. His time is valuable.

Consider alternatives. While many instructors teach through dive shops, some of the best are independent instructors or affiliated with colleges, universities or YMCA's.

Questions to ask the instructors:

How long have you been teaching? Most instructors improve over time. They learn new techniques and get ideas from other instructors and through experience to improve their classes.

Do you certify all your students? Only instructors who are in a hurry and care nothing about your safety will answer yes. You want an instructor who will require you to be safe and knowledgeable before issuing a c-card. An excellent instructor might tell you that he is willing to keep working with a student until the student either qualifies or gives up.

What skin diving skills will I learn? While there is some disagreement on this point, many professionals believe a solid foundation in skin diving will not only make you a better SCUBA diver, it will make learning SCUBA easier.

Will I learn confidence-building skills? There are some skills which have no direct application to a typical dive, but which do build your confidence as well as your abilities. This, combined with an understanding of the panic cycle, will make you much less likely to panic.

Do you teach the panic cycle? Panic is the most dangerous aspect of diving. Many instructors do not understand panic and believe there is no way to combat it. In actuality, panic is understood. It is though learning the panic cycle and by increasing skill levels that panic is avoided.

Do your students swim with their hands? This will let you know if the instructor pays attention to details. Good divers do not use their hands for swimming.

Do you work on trim? Divers should be horizontal in the water. Good instructors will see that students are striving towards good trim. Poor instructors often neglect it.

Do you overweight your students? Many instructors overweight students. It is not a good practice.

What method do you use to correctly weight your students? Any answer that does not involve actually getting in the water means you want to avoid that instructor.

How many people will be in my class? Small classes are better. You'll have more individual attention. Unless the instructor is using assistants, more than four students are difficult to watch.

How many certified assistants will you be using? Unless the class is relatively large (more than 4 students) this should not be an issue. An instructor should have a certified Divemaster or Assistant Instructor for every two students over four. There are times when divers working on their Divemaster or Assistant Instructor certifications assist with a class. This is normal and not an issue, but they do not count toward the assistants an instructor should have when working with larger classes.

Will I be learning skills kneeling on the pool bottom or mid-water? This question is not critical, but will let you know if you've found an instructor who has a great deal on the ball. The over whelming majority of instructors (even good instructors) teach skills kneeling on the bottom. Don't eliminate instructors who do. Some instructors have realized your mask will flood while you are swimming, not when you are sitting on the bottom. You need to learn skills in the manner in which you'll be using them.

Questions to ask yourself:

Is the instructor patient? While talking with your potential instructor, you should be getting a feel for his personality. Patience is an important quality for an instructor. You want to avoid instructors with a drill sergeant demeanor.

Would I be happier learning from a man or a woman? Only you can answer that question, but in general it is not usually a serious consideration. There are excellent instructors and there are poor instructors. Men and women fall into both groups.
 
Sideband:
Ah, but you can meet the instructor and talk to them in advance. I have talked to several that I knew right away would not be a good instructor for me.

Joe

How did you know?
 
Mainly because I didn't like talking to them. One was just full of himself, another had no sense of humor and was impatient, etc. If you are looking for a way out of an informal conversation then you probably wouldn't want to be in their class. Make sense?

Joe
 
Hi,

As A PADI instructor let me put in a good word for instruction via my agency.

First, the PADI instructional system is tightly integrated and very well thought out. The home study materials are accessible and accompanied by a DVD that will help you visualize the skills you will learn in the pool. The academics are organized so that you know precisely what you need to know… are presented with the material and then are tested over the same material. The role of the instructor is more of coach then a professor.

The entire PADI system is uniform across all instructors. Some other agencies allow instructors considerable latitude in how they present material and even what they present. With PADI you can go to any shop in the world and receive pretty much the same instruction… from the classroom to the pool to o/w.

What this means to you is that if you happen to have two instructors there will be no confusion about what you have learned and what you have yet to be taught. If you, like many, chose to do your academic and pool work up north but your o/w dives in warmer waters the transition from one PADI shop to another will be seamless.

Finally, PADI is a worldwide agency that certifies upwards of 70% of all divers. Just last week I had two people come into our shop and sign up for our dive trip. When I asked to see their certification cards both told me that they forgot to bring them. One of them was a PADI diver, certified in 1991… I was able to verify their certification on-line in less that a minute. The other diver was trained by another agency and I could not let them dive with us because they had no way of proving certification. Just a thought.

Ultimately the thing is to get a good start and to begin diving. Later on you will develop a perspective of your own and will be able to make an informed choice among shops, agencies and instructors.

In the short run I think Walter’s questions are excellent but trust your gut as well. Virtually all instructors I know will give you roughly the same answers to Walter’s questions. (I hope)
 
thanks guys, well im about to go sign up with my padi instructor here in houston the price for all the classes and brand new equipment is lookin about 600 is that right or am i getting ripped off?
 
you mean mask, fins, weights, and snorkel plus class?

does it include the OW dives?

does it include equipment rental?
 
madmike311x:
noobie here just wonderin which to go with?


This has probably been said...I didn't read allof the responses...don't worry about agency. Choose your instructor...that is much more important than which agency!
 
Hi,

$600 including gear seems fair... especially if you can return (replace) gear that does not work well for you.

I assume that this is for the full course rather than just academics and pool.

Good luck and enjoy... its a heck of a trip.
 
Sideband:
Mainly because I didn't like talking to them. One was just full of himself, another had no sense of humor and was impatient, etc. If you are looking for a way out of an informal conversation then you probably wouldn't want to be in their class. Make sense?

Joe

I suppose. But some of my best teachers (not diving, necessary) have been total dicks.
 

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