NeckTite removal from Fusion

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  1. Aqua-Andy

    Aqua-Andy Manta Ray

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    I was wondering if you have removed a Neck Tite system from a fusion yet? My fusion was ordered with the Neck Tite system so it is sewed into the suit and I was wondering if there is any easy way to remove it and install a standard latex seal? I was thinking remove the black adhesive tape then use a seam ripper to remove the stitching then install a new seal with heat tape. I was going to put this into the drysuit forum but since you're the Fusion guru around these parts I thought I would just go right to the person who would probably be answering the question anyway.

    Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
     
  2. TSandM

    TSandM Missed and loved by many.

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    Not Mike, but why would you want to remove the NeckTite system? You can install a standard latex seal on it in about five minutes. I can't use the silicone seals because my neck is too small, but I have standard DUI latex seals on both of my suits.
     
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  3. Aqua-Andy

    Aqua-Andy Manta Ray

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    I find the NeckTite to be very uncomfortable. I can feel it when I move my arms to reach my valves and at other times also. I've done some dives with my old suit a Bare Nex-Gen and I think I'm more comfortable with out it. I'm going to do a couple of dives this weekend and give it another shot. Do you notice the neck ring while you are diving? Maybe I'm just too picky, my wife does say I'm becoming a grouchy old man. Maybe she's on to something:depressed:.
     
  4. Akimbo

    Akimbo ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Do you hang the suit with the weight on the neck ring or supported by suspenders? The neck ring will slowly deflect to the curve of your shoulders (hanger really) if you hang on the ring. That was one of the first things Mike recommended to me and it works.
     
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  5. Jax

    Jax Could not care less..... ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Not as many dives as y'all, but mine doesn't bother me at all. I like swapping seals in a minute.
     
  6. Aqua-Andy

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    Thanks I will give it a try.
     
  7. Aqua-Andy

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    Yes I do like this feature. I do carry a spare seal, something my buddies with ZipSeals don't do as the seals from DUI cost around $120. But I just can't get around the way the ring feels.
     
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  8. Akimbo

    Akimbo ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    BTW, I am totally sold on the silicon wrist and neck seals. Unbelievably comfortable and tear resistant compared to Latex or Neoprene. I know there were problems with some of the early production runs but mine are great. I ordered the neck and wrist rings so I could quickly replace seals in the field. I tried the Silicon based on Mike’s suggestion and thank him every time I use the suit. I don’t bother to remove the neck seal between dives or if the ride back is cold.
     
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  9. Dive Right In Scuba

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    How many dives do you have on the suit? Do like Akimbo said and let it hang on a hanger. Gravity will help shape it a bit.

    Give it 10 or more dives...if you still don't like it, it can be removed. If we were to remove it, this is what I would do.....

    Get some MEK, and use that and a rag to start to get under the black tape. Once you get it started, that will help release it. You do need alot of MEK on the rag. Do this in a well ventilated area and with gloves on. Once you get that off, seam rip the stitching with a seam ripper. Take out the ring. Then you can use a Urethane glue or the Heat tape we sell to put in a new seal ;)

    Do give the system a good chance though....it would be a shame to get rid of it unless you really can't stand it and have given it a fair shake.
     
  10. TSandM

    TSandM Missed and loved by many.

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    The only time I have noticed mine was diving doubles in my Fusion with nothing underneath it but Diving Concepts base layer. Then, it wasn't completely comfortable standing on the boat, but in the water it was unnoticeable.
     
  11. Peter_C

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    I feel the neck assembly at the surface, and once in a great while underwater. Typically it doesn't "bother" me though, I just "notice" it. The Neck Tite system has never interfered on a valve drill.

    Mike recommends MEK, where as I tend to use heat more. A couple minutes with a heat gun usually loosens everything up to be pulled off. Heat slowly keeping the heat moving so you don't burn anything.
     
  12. Aqua-Andy

    Aqua-Andy Manta Ray

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    I have about 30 dives on the suit, all in cold water. I'm going to try hanging the suit to form the ring, and give it some more dives. I guess if I had a dive ruined by a torn neck seal I would not be wanting to get rid of it but it has not happened yet. My Nex-Gen is 3.5 years old and the seals still look like new (I hope I didn't just jinx myself), I did purchase a new neck neck seal and the heat applied tape from DRIS to replace my Nex-Gen's neck seal but I just haven't got around to it yet. So am I the only one that notices the ring? I feel it the most above the water and when reaching for my valves, I can't say it hurts but it just feels restrictive and that is not why I purchased a fusion. Like I said before maybe I'm just to picky.
     
  13. Dive Right In Scuba

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  14. Aqua-Andy

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    Ya I'm pretty sure they are not stuck, there in a bin in my basement :D. I felt all they did was restrict movement and made it harder to turn the suit inside out to dry. We very rarely walk around between dives with our suit tops hanging down, as far as I know that is what the suspenders are for.
     
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  15. Peter_C

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    Has anyone come up with a solution to this issue? It is one of my grips with the suit, as it happens quite often when wearing the suit with the top off and my heavy pockets and all hanging from the suspenders. I remember seeing someone using the plastic weight belt clips, but I don't really want to add anything in that area as such. I have considered just sewing them in place at the right area.
     
  16. Akimbo

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    Yep, but it may not work for everyone and will explain why later. I just un-Velcro’d the suspenders from the suit, removed them from the guides near the zipper, and re-connected them outside the guides. End of problem. The crotch stays as adjusted.

    Now here is why it might not work for everyone. I completely disconnected the outer skin from the DryCore bag. I don the suit in this order:

    1. Don underwear
    2. Don the DryCore up to about waist level
    3. Connect P-tube
    4. Don the Bullet Skin up to about waist level
    5. Sit down, pull Skin above knee cap and don modified Fusion Boots (more later)
    6. Pull skin leg down over boots
    7. Stand, and don rest of the DryCore
    8. Don the rest of the skin
    9. Close water-tight zipper
    10. Close outer protective zipper on DryCore
    11. Close zipper sewn into the gap on the Skin where it used to Velcro to the suit
    12. Poke the dump, inflation, and P-valves through holes in the skin

    It sounds complicated but is much faster and easier to don & doff now. It also makes testing the DryCore and cleaning it and the Skin far easier. To make this happen I had to:

    1. Remove the dump and fill valves and re-seat to extricate the Skin
    2. Carefully remove all the hook-side Velcro from the DryCore except for inside where the suspenders attach to the front.
    3. Sew in a patch of ballistic nylon with a #10 zipper to fill the gap in the Skin
    4. Cut the top of the Fusion Boots off and sew on a conical shaped extension of ballistic Nylon. Extra folds were provided for grommets and a #10 Zipper. 1" Nylon webbing straps were installed at the top. One side of the zipper was laced to the grommets like a shoe. This prevents sand from entering the boot which can ware a hole through the suit, dramatically increased shin protection (which is the first place I punch a hole), and act as built-in Gaiters. Photos attached. Sorry the poor black-on-black contrast.
    5. About 4" were added to the leg length on the skin
    6. Twist locks were added to the pocket flaps
    7. Small 1" webbing loops were sewn on the arm of the skin to capture a wrist computer so it can’t migrate
    8. Replace the cheesy plastic D-rings inside the pockets with stainless

    I actually bought a light industrial sewing machine off E-bay for this project. My sewing is ugly but strong at this point. I can’t believe how many times I use that machine now for modifying dive gear.

    Sidebar:
    FYI Peter, I sewed 2' of ½" webbing to the Nautilus Lifeline Radio with a bolt snap at the other end. I keep it snapped to the D-ring in my right pocket until I pull it out and transfer the snap to the shoulder D-ring before opening the top. Worked well this last weekend.
     

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  17. Aqua-Andy

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    I would love to see a YouTube video of this. Your donning procedure and suit modifications sound interesting, I just cant paint a mental picture of it.
     
  18. Akimbo

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    Except for the modified boots, the donning sequence isn’t much different than donning a standard trilam and coveralls on top of that — common in commercial diving. Once the coveralls are on, picture putting on a pair of knee-high Wellington boots under the coveralls. The Fusion skins are just really nice elastic coveralls that makes it swim more like a wetsuit than a wrinkled garbage bag.

    I like being able to sew stuff on the Skin and modify it as much as I like without impacting the watertight envelope. Protection is also much better than a trilam. When the Skin snags, it tends to pull away from the DryCore, except in compression punctures like a lower leg coming down on wreckage… thus the boots.

    Hope this helps. It probably makes no sense unless you have worn a Fusion. The whole project is an interesting and ongoing experiment.

    BTW, if I ever did a rev-2, I would use half as many grommets on the boots. Divers last weekend were amazed when they saw me duck-dive head first in a drysuit as easy as in a wetsuit.
     
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  19. gypsyjim

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    Thanks, folks. Having just blown the neck seal on my Fusion this was a good link Henrik sent me, and great info to have before doing the repairs.
     
  20. Aqua-Andy

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    Now that this thread has resurfaced I figure I should give an update. I started hanging the suit on my HangAir for storage, before I would just hang until dry then I would roll up and pack in it's bin so it's ready for the next dive. Now that the ring is formed I find the system to be way more comfortable than before and I'm actually thinking about instilling the NeckTite in My Nex-Gen as well.
     
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