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misdmnr
May 22nd, 2012, 07:31 PM
Debating on which is the best...so I am here seeking the opinions of all who may be able to...

The computers I am considering:

Oceanic OC1
Oceanic VT 4.1
Suunto D9tx

I do cold water, fresh and salt water diving. I am looking for user friendly as I detest reading manuals...though will suffer through if need be. I dive ENOX whenever possible and like the idea of having a computer that will allow up to 99% nitrox adjustability. I want a high/higher end computer. If there are any newer models out than the ones listed I'm up for those also. Thanks in advance!!!

mathauck0814
May 22nd, 2012, 07:58 PM
Shearwater Predator.

ianr33
May 22nd, 2012, 08:07 PM
shearwater predator.

x2

........

griffon
May 22nd, 2012, 10:02 PM
I'm not super stoked with my d9 over all. My second dive comp. there are a number of thing I miss from my oceanic, though not the bulk :).
The d9 is not user serviceable without special tools, costing me a ton for a battery replacement and went dead with no warning. This is annoying enough to me that I won't buy another comp that I can't take care of easily... Though most if th new stuff I have looked at are fully rechargeable. That presents some other challenges long term though.
I also don't care for how it handles surface intervals. It also has to resync (close) to the transmitter before getting in the Walter.
I do like how it works with my dive software for making pretty logs :).
I also like how it dose a decent safety stop count down automatically, and is low profile to wear in the water. Over all though I would pass on the d9 if I was doing it over.

misdmnr
May 22nd, 2012, 10:48 PM
Never heard of Shearwater...are they a new company? I get a pretty sweet deal through my shop and will have to inquire about pricing from them. If it is not an option which of the others or a diff one would you recommend?

ianr33
May 22nd, 2012, 10:51 PM
Never heard of Shearwater...are they a new company?


No.

Mainly aimed at tech divers. Excellent reputation.
Shearwater Research - Home (http://www.shearwaterresearch.com/)

Prof Diver
May 22nd, 2012, 11:06 PM
I love my Atom 3 from oceanic. It's small and compact yet has really to use feature. Granted, it took me a good 2 hours to figure it all out, instead of the normal 30 minute. But it's a nice good computer and the box set came with everything. even the tools to replace the battery and the usb cable to upload your dives. And lets not for forget free the video lessons.

Scott L
May 22nd, 2012, 11:08 PM
Oceanic Geo is a good rec computer...

misdmnr
May 22nd, 2012, 11:21 PM
I will have to contact the tech divers at the shop and research the shearwater more. I did surf their website. Interesting company. Now I only have to hope our dive shop will get me a great price. Anyone currently use the ones listed on my list at all?

Scott L
May 22nd, 2012, 11:31 PM
I will have to contact the tech divers at the shop and research the shearwater more. I did surf their website. Interesting company. Now I only have to hope our dive shop will get me a great price. Anyone currently use the ones listed on my list at all?

If you are not diving with a helium mix it's total overkill. In addition, for consideration that you are a female, the computer is huge. Also, look at Liquidvision if you plan diving tec...

http://liquivision.com/

misdmnr
May 22nd, 2012, 11:49 PM
No tec in my future, just logging dives and helping teach.

Scott L
May 22nd, 2012, 11:58 PM
No tec in my future, just logging dives and helping teach.

Suunto or Oceanic...

mathauck0814
May 23rd, 2012, 11:12 AM
Suunto or Oceanic...

... sure, if you happen to like uber conservative computers that don't let you grow. My wife does mostly recreational diving, uses a Shearwater and loves it. Infinite flexibility. Don't bother with Suunto's algorithm. You'll still be hanging on your deco while you're buddies have already rinsed their gear and are in the bar telling stories about the dive.

DiveNav
May 23rd, 2012, 11:17 AM
...... I detest reading manuals.......
You are not alone.

That is why we have created online tutorials (http://www.divecomputertraining.com/classes.php?page=diveComp&sort=classTitle&ord=asc&class_man=0) and simulators (http://www.divecomputertraining.com/simulators.php) for lots of dive computers.

You might want to check out our Dive Computers Research Tool (http://www.divecomputertraining.com/diveComputers.php) to compare models side-by-side.

Good luck with your search.

Alberto (aka eDiver)

scubadada
May 23rd, 2012, 01:01 PM
Hi misdmnr,

I have 157 dives on an Oceanic VT 3 purchased in July 2010. It has worked flawlessly. If purchasing today, would consider the VT 4.1 I like the relatively liberal Pelagic DSAT algorithm. I dived a Pro Plus and a Pro Plus 2 in the decade prior to the VT 3. I dive a Geo 2 as backup, have not needed it to date.

Good diving, Craig

Liquivision
May 23rd, 2012, 05:07 PM
If you want the next generation of wireless computers, I recommend the Liquivision Lynx. Targeted for late summer, with amazing features I can't even post here.


Eric Fattah
Liquivision Products

Jax
May 23rd, 2012, 05:30 PM
Liquivision : Scuba : Lynx (http://liquivision.com/lynx.php)

HowardE
May 23rd, 2012, 05:42 PM
Debating on which is the best...so I am here seeking the opinions of all who may be able to...

The computers I am considering:

Oceanic OC1
Oceanic VT 4.1
Suunto D9tx

I do cold water, fresh and salt water diving. I am looking for user friendly as I detest reading manuals...though will suffer through if need be. I dive ENOX whenever possible and like the idea of having a computer that will allow up to 99% nitrox adjustability. I want a high/higher end computer. If there are any newer models out than the ones listed I'm up for those also. Thanks in advance!!!

Unlike most people in this thread, I will answer the OP's question.

Of the ones listed, I prefer the Suunto for ease of use as compared to the Oceanic. I have owned both the OC1 and a D9, and I think for ease of use (without reading the manual), it's the D9.

I have found that the Suunto is not THAT MUCH MORE conservative than the Oceanic, as people suggest. I also have a shearwater, and frankly, with a 30/85 GF (the default), it's very similar to the NDL's for the Suunto computer. However... the Shearwater isn't a hoseless computer, which is what the OP was asking about.

buddhasummer
May 23rd, 2012, 07:01 PM
Yep, Lynx is top of my list when it finally comes out, can't wait, looks very nice indeed.

scubadada
May 23rd, 2012, 07:11 PM
Unlike most people in this thread, I will answer the OP's question.

Of the ones listed, I prefer the Suunto for ease of use as compared to the Oceanic. I have owned both the OC1 and a D9, and I think for ease of use (without reading the manual), it's the D9.

I have found that the Suunto is not THAT MUCH MORE conservative than the Oceanic, as people suggest. I also have a shearwater, and frankly, with a 30/85 GF (the default), it's very similar to the NDL's for the Suunto computer. However... the Shearwater isn't a hoseless computer, which is what the OP was asking about.

I also answered the OP's question. I do not find Oceanic computers difficult to use but have been using them since 2001. I do find the NDLs between Oceanic Pelagic DSAT algorithm and Suunto's algorithm to be significantly different (1st dive on air to 60 feet, 57 vs. 50 minutes...). To each their own.

Good diving, Craig

HowardE
May 23rd, 2012, 07:25 PM
I also answered the OP's question. I do not find Oceanic computers difficult to use but have been using them since 2001. I do find the NDLs between Oceanic Pelagic DSAT algorithm and Suunto's algorithm to be significantly different. To each their own.

Good diving, Craig

I said MOST, not all ;)

Also, I didn't say the Oceanic was difficult, just that the Suunto was easier without reading the manual. The Oceanic computers are a little more challenging to find the sub-menus, but that's just my opinion. I've used the OC1 for years, and still do. Before that, I had an Atom 2.0, and before that an Atmos. I do like Oceanic computers.... don't get me wrong.

Also, while the algorithms ARE different, at deeper depths, the difference may be as little as a minute. If you look at the chart provided by Oceanic... You'll see their NEW algorithm is pretty much in line with the Suunto ;)

http://www.oceanicworldwide.com/us/media/wysiwyg/Technology/Computers/DualAlgor_chart.jpg

scubadada
May 23rd, 2012, 07:55 PM
I said MOST, not all ;)

Also, I didn't say the Oceanic was difficult, just that the Suunto was easier without reading the manual. The Oceanic computers are a little more challenging to find the sub-menus, but that's just my opinion. I've used the OC1 for years, and still do. Before that, I had an Atom 2.0, and before that an Atmos. I do like Oceanic computers.... don't get me wrong.

Also, while the algorithms ARE different, at deeper depths, the difference may be as little as a minute. If you look at the chart provided by Oceanic... You'll see their NEW algorithm is pretty much in line with the Suunto ;)

http://www.oceanicworldwide.com/us/media/wysiwyg/Technology/Computers/DualAlgor_chart.jpg

Points well taken. I did go back and edit my post with the illustration of a 14% increase in NDL of a 1st air dive to 60 feet using Pelagic DSAT vs. Suunto. My most common dive is a 60 ft drift in Boynton Beach, I'll take the 14%. Actually I'll take all of my gas time using 36% EAN but nitrox NDLs are not in the Suunto manual for comparison. All these computers are very good, a personal choice.

Best, Craig

mathauck0814
May 23rd, 2012, 08:41 PM
However... the Shearwater isn't a hoseless computer, which is what the OP was asking about.

Your Shearwater has a hose?

misdmnr
May 23rd, 2012, 08:44 PM
So far looks like I may be leaning towards the Oceanic. I will have to research the Liquivision Lynx some more. I do like the idea of a tap scroll menu, but when diving the Great Lakes or teaching class I wear gloves (46 degrees of fun at 30feet, ugh) I wonder if the screen will be able to recognize a tap and differentiate what I am attempting to tell it to do. Mr. Liquivision could you shed some light on this for me please? Wish I could dive them all and then decide. Should be like test driving a car when it comes to some of our gear options!

nfarrar
May 23rd, 2012, 09:37 PM
Look at the Scubapro Galileo SOL. Its expensive and a older design but I think its VERY easy to use. It is hoseless and can support multi tanks /w different blends of O2. It now finally supports Trimix. I also have a cheapy Aladin tec 2g($299 console) as a backup. They use the same algorithm. It can save a day or trip if the SOL fails even though unlikely. Overkill is proven 100% effective. I also like the heart rate monitor. The sol uses both heart rate and rate of breath in its calculation. It has a great compass. When I did under water nav it was almost cheating. On the down side is not a OLED.

The SOL might not be for you but its a solid computer that fits my needs pretty well.

Later Mon,
Nick

buddhasummer
May 23rd, 2012, 11:48 PM
Or the Luna, cheaper than a Sol but does all the important thing a rec diver needs. I was going to buy one a year or so ago but decided against it once I got to see one in the flesh, very nice computer, easy to read and navigate but man it's big I am kinda small and it looked like an iPad on my arm. I do a lot of night diving so for me OLED is a big bonus. So the Lynx will be my next big present to my self.

HowardE
May 24th, 2012, 06:40 AM
Your Shearwater has a hose?

The OP listed ALL AIR INTEGRATED computers.

I am trying to answer the OP's question, not just spew unrelated (off topic) advice ;)

ianr33
May 24th, 2012, 08:52 AM
The OP listed ALL AIR INTEGRATED computers.

I am trying to answer the OP's question, not just spew unrelated (off topic) advice ;)

But the title of the post was "Best Hoseless Computer" and "Shearwater" is a good answer to that.

If he is only interested in Air Integrated computers then he should have said so. ;)

HowardE
May 24th, 2012, 09:00 AM
He said what he was interested in. Try reading the OP...

Enough of this off topic banter...

I'm unsubscribed.


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j2s
May 24th, 2012, 09:04 PM
I use 4 wireless computers..2 Sunntos and 2 Oceanics...One of the Sunntos is a D9 the other a Vytec DS...Keep in mind the Sunntos have a history of straps that break and most people that use them get the Tibby-Adapters [Sunnto nor AL has ever owned up to the problem]....Sunnto as one of the other divers said has some nice features, but they are very 'finnicky' [you have to do every thing just right] and will 'stop' you out if you don't....The other 2 are an Atom 2.0 and a VT3......Had flooding problems w/the Atom 2.0, but customer service replaced it no problem and haven't had problems since.....The VT3 is a joy to use, user friendly, DSS bungee mount, easy to read etc........I use both Sunntos w/one transmitter and they always read 10-15 psi different between them....I do the same w/the Oceanics, [same xmitter code in both computers] they always read exactly the same psi.......When I add up pro's-vs-cons I prefer using the Oceanics.......

misdmnr
May 24th, 2012, 09:19 PM
looks like another vote for oceanic...i will be teaching class this weekend and will have to see what the dive shop can do for me. i will still check the liquivision out, but haven't heard back on how the touch screen works with 7mm gloves on.

weitodive
May 24th, 2012, 09:35 PM
I have had an atom, sol, Luna, and d9. Oceanic's menus are much harder to get around. I think they went away from the button hold stuff with the oc1. The d9 is a good computer but much more conservative compared to my sol. I wanted to buy an oc1 but never got around to it. In comparison, I think the d9 and oc1 are very comparable. The compass I hear is good on the oc1 and completely unreliable on my d9. If you don't mind the bulk, I think the sol or Luna are the best IMHO. But the bulk is slightly annoying. I haven't had any issues with my d9 strap but I only use it when I dive and don't wear it everyday. The user replaceable batteries on sol and Luna is nice. If I remember right, the oc1 and d9 are non user replaceable. Suunto required my old shop to send it in to replace the battery so I was without it for about a month and a half.( I was in Guam so shipping was a pain).

mictrik
May 24th, 2012, 10:03 PM
"I think the sol or Luna are the best IMHO. But the bulk is slightly annoying.", I agree! An OLED version of the LUNA with perhaps a smaller form factor would be fantastic! So long as it does not lose key features like; user replaceable batteries, separate battery compartment from electronics in case of flood, reliable transmitter. "

CaveMD
May 24th, 2012, 10:11 PM
Best currently available hoseless dive computer is a brass and glass is spgs, shearwater predator, and gray matter

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ianr33
May 24th, 2012, 11:16 PM
looks like another vote for oceanic...i will be teaching class this weekend and will have to see what the dive shop can do for me. i will still check the liquivision out, but haven't heard back on how the touch screen works with 7mm gloves on.

It's not a touch screen. It uses accelerometers.So long as you can tap it it should be O.K. (Have never used one myself)

nfarrar
May 25th, 2012, 07:51 AM
"I think the sol or Luna are the best IMHO. But the bulk is slightly annoying.", I agree! An OLED version of the LUNA with perhaps a smaller form factor would be fantastic! So long as it does not lose key features like; user replaceable batteries, separate battery compartment from electronics in case of flood, reliable transmitter. "

What I like most about the Galileo (SOL or Luna) is the easy of use. I find the menus easy to use. The only real dive to dive setting to change is the O2 %. I change the altitude once per trip and salt or fresh water. Put it on and run the dive planner. Thats it. I removed the bands on mine. I use a large one piece strap wrapped over the battery compartment. In order to lose it the strap has to tear in 2!

CountyComm - NITROX-17 A 17" Watch Band For Divers (http://countycomm.com/nitrox.html)

or if your wrist is smaller than mine

CountyComm - Zulu Four Buckle Watch Straps (http://countycomm.com/zulufourringindex.html)

Overkill is proven 100% effective.

If you want a little more out if it and get the SOL the trimix firmware is out. It changes from the ZLH-8ADT 8 compartment to the ZLH-16 16 compartment algorithm. It changes the o2% for air to 20.7% from 21%. You get support for 10 tanks instead of 5. Decompress works down to 508 Ft instead of 394 Ft. Deeper than I will ever need but just sharing.

Later Mon,
Nick

Tomlink
May 25th, 2012, 03:20 PM
I just picked up an Oceanic VT4.1. I actually traded in my old mid-90s Datamax Pro that I flooded by being hasty (stupid) in a battery change (Oceanic gave me a 20% discount for a 15+ year-old computer - very cool). I also own a Datamax Pro Plus 2.1, original Cochran, and Aladin Pro. The Oceanic Datamax series have always been solid and simple to use. I wasn't really thrilled with the menu structure on the VT series but they have completly knocked it out of the park with the VT4.1. It is as easy to set up and use (especially when task-loaded) as my old Datamax Pro. Hard to beat Oceanic for a solid rec computer.

dive-comp-wiz
May 27th, 2012, 03:34 PM
g'day, guys!

I used to test few hoseless dive computers - Oceanic OC1, VT3, Suunto D9, Aeris Epic, and few others just to make the reviews for a period of several years. But still the best wireless dive computer for me is Galileo SOL. I've been using it for about a year - and still love it as it was from the first look!

Scott L
May 27th, 2012, 04:21 PM
... sure, if you happen to like uber conservative computers that don't let you grow. My wife does mostly recreational diving, uses a Shearwater and loves it. Infinite flexibility. Don't bother with Suunto's algorithm. You'll still be hanging on your deco while you're buddies have already rinsed their gear and are in the bar telling stories about the dive.

I agree. That's why I own a Oceanic Geo 2 for rec or a gauge mode back-up with tec...

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Your Shearwater has a hose?


The OP listed ALL AIR INTEGRATED computers.

I am trying to answer the OP's question, not just spew unrelated (off topic) advice ;)

Hmm, just re-read the OP's first post. Nothing about air integrated. By the way, do you have an interest in Aqua Lung products which would sway your recommendation's?


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