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[The_DivePirate]

Are they doing EANx in Open Water training now????????:no

Yes, you can, considering it takes no actuall dives. It is only a bookwork course, that has you analyze a couple tanks of mix. You can add a dive too it if the instructor likes. But I believe new divers should safe their money on the course and mix until their SAC rates come down.

Joe

 

[D_B]

Fold/swivel them down under the foot pocket or up above it. Your hand then goes through with the blade of the fin pointed back along your elbow.

That's what I do just to be able to grab them with my hand, if I tried to put them up to my wrist they would affect my ability to use my hand and stick out awkwardly ... not going to change them just to carry them, fitting my fin/boot is more important to me .. point is, that not everyone can do what seems best for you or others, different gear, boats, areas and conditions warrant other approaches to the same problems

 

[seaducer]

Yes, you can, considering it takes no actuall dives. It is only a bookwork course, that has you analyze a couple tanks of mix. You can add a dive too it if the instructor likes. But I believe new divers should safe their money on the course and mix until their SAC rates come down.

Joe

I disagree. There is more benefit to nitrox than extended NDL.

Theoretically you could just modify OW to include EAN 40 and leave the additional cert for people who were OW certified before the two classes were combined.

Not likely to happen, but not unreasonable...

 

[seaducer]

Thanks for the vote. I'm not sure that it should be necesary for the student too get their c-card, because if that were the case the students would put good marks so as too get their card. It also could not be given by the LDS/instuctor or the unfavorable
surveys may not make it to HQ. If it were sent by HQ it would make it to the student and they would have the option too fill it out or possibly go online and fill out the survey there, where they could put in their cert# which would correspond with the instructor and LDS or private instructor if that were the case. If continous low marks were recorded with a certian instructor/LDS they could be put on probation and if the problem persists they could be pulled from membership status. If good marks were given on a regular basis the instructor/LDS could get price breaks on merchandise(ie: curriculem and stuff) This would give the LDS's an incentive for giving quality classes rather than just running students through too get the price break. Seems too me it would work and would be the most truthful means of aquiring pertinent information about their instructors and course structure. Yeah, they could ask what the students would have liked too recieve during the class. Seems feasible don't it?

Joe

What is the incentive for the student to fill one out? There are already surveys all over the place and no one ever fills one out unless they have an extreme opinion.

The amount of people who would follow through would probably represent too small a cross section of students to justify your punish/reward system.

On top of that, if the instructor is personable but not that great a teacher, how is a new OW student to know they got ripped off? They like the teacher and feel they learned something and now can dive. Only if they become avid divers and really get into it will they realize they should have learned so much more in their first class...

 

[The_DivePirate]

I disagree. There is more benefit to nitrox than extended NDL.

Theoretically you could just modify OW to include EAN 40 and leave the additional cert for people who were OW certified before the two classes were combined.

Not likely to happen, but not unreasonable...

I'm not saying there is not added benefits too diving EANX, it is just that the cost difference is quite a margin, and if your SAC rate is high, your costs will be high. Why not get your comfort level up and your SAC rate down before spending almost twice as much on back gas? It just doesn't seem to be an economical choice of advancement. Not too say I wouldn't train you and sell you EANX, heck more money in my pocket, but I would have too let you know my point of view. I believe as an instructor that is my job.IMO
Joe

 

[seaducer]

I'm not saying there is not added benefits too diving EANX, it is just that the cost difference is quite a margin, and if your SAC rate is high, your costs will be high. Why not get your comfort level up and your SAC rate down before spending almost twice as much on back gas? It just doesn't seem to be an economical choice of advancement. Not too say I wouldn't train you and sell you EANX, heck more money in my pocket, but I would have too let you know my point of view. I believe as an instructor that is my job.IMO
Joe

That is your job, and your point is a good one. I think the OW time to EAN is a question that has no right or wrong answer...

 

[The_DivePirate]

No doubt, there is no right or wrong answer there, if you have money burning a hple in your pocket I'd gladly help put it out!! But call me before you show up so I can make sure that the O2 is shut down, O2 and open flame don't mix!!!:no KABOOM!!!!!

Joe

 

[BarryNL]

what has being sea sick got to do with being AOW certified???

cheers

I puked between dives last week and I have Rescue and Tec c-cards; how far do I have to train before this stops?

 

[The_DivePirate]

Yeah, sometimes PUKE happens
Joe

 

[BarryNL]

It's the number of dives, end of story..............

If only that were so. I had, for example, a divemaster in Cozumel last week who must have had 1,000+ dives and who still couldn't stop knocking bits off the reef.

Unfortunately, buoyancy control will get stuck after a while unless you make an effort to work on it. Personally, I like to get together with some other DIR buddies every couple of weeks or so and just make a dive to 3-4m and just practice hanging there stationary for an hour while doing various drills. This is why I can (modestly) claim that my buoyancy is better than many divers with 10x the number of dives I have.