Diver Indicted in 2003 GBR mishap

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Bruce,
Look for a sticky that proclaims DO NOT RESPOND about this incident something like that. This is the discussion thread and K girl has put some incredible amount of work keeping a running record of links separate from the discussion.

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ac...on-murder-case-issues-statements-sources.html

To those that are looking for K-girls other thread with all of the information, Steve has linked it here and you can add a subscription to it for your self simply by clicking on the "Thread Tools" near the top and then selecting "Subscribe to this thread". This will store it for your future access whenever you want it. It does not need to be in her signature for you to find it easily....although her linking it there would not be a bad idea either.
 
In this case, no one actually saw him turn the tank off, so what action he may or may not have taken is speculative. Consequently, it is going to hard to prove that he had formed an intent to kill her.

This here is the central rub of the issue in an already excellent post. In all of the pages in which we have provided speculation on what guilt might or might not look like, all any of us are left with are our respective leanings about Gabe and his potential for murderer.

This is why I was interested in what the doctor-witness who “saw” the “bear hug” had to say. As the good brain surgeon has already pointed out, the explanations given thus far for Gabe’s odd behavior could be run through several “innocence” filters leaving plenty of reasonable doubt for one looking for an explanation for his behavior. If the non-diver sitting on the jury is a critical thinker and able to grasp Shaky Brian Surgeon’s points, then the prosecution is going to have a hard time getting a conviction in my opinion.

If, however, the Aussie authorities do have a smoking gun in the way of a vetted eye witness to the crime or someone who knows of Gabe’s plan who has come forward, well that changes everything. I can’t imagine the Australian authorities would carry on with the expense of an extradition hearing without this substantial evidence. That means there must be (most probably is, might be) something more to this case than the fodder we have been mulling over in this thread. If Gabe is guilty, I hope they have this evidence.

Also, regarding the civil suit that might come later. If diving is a risk sport, wherein one signs a waiver recognizing the inherent dangers in compressed air diving, does this not reduce the potential culpability Gabe has even if he did not react correctly in this situation? In other words, isn’t this different than say a hiking trip with no such waiver and a dead wife?

Just curious.

Cheers!
 
I suspect any waivers signed by Tina would be Waivers for the protection of the Dive Operator and their employees NOT Gabe. I doubt those waivers will really protect anyone from criminal negligence or criminal intent anyway. Anyone with legal background please correct me if I am wrong on this.
 
I doubt those waivers will really protect anyone from . . . criminal intent anyway. Anyone with legal background please correct me if I am wrong on this.

Bowlofpetunias raises good points.

I'm an attorney in the USA, so I really cannot provide any information concerning Australian law.

Having said that, I am willing to hazard a guess that Bowlofpetunias is correct to suggest that a Waiver does not concern criminal conduct under Australian law.

As for negligence, under US law, waivers are defeatable - certainly when gross negligence is involved.
 
In Canada, negligence cannot be waived, but I don't know about Australia.

However, the Australian liveaboard was found guilty of not living up to its own requirements regarding Tina's death and was fined accordingly. The coroner's report was vague on the exact charges, but it sounded like negligence.
 
In Canada, negligence cannot be waived, but I don't know about Australia.

However, the Australian liveaboard was found guilty of not living up to its own requirements regarding Tina's death and was fined accordingly. The coroner's report was vague on the exact charges, but it sounded like negligence.

I know that it was noted that the liveaboard met the legal requirements and industry requirements so I doubt it would be flat out negligence. The requirements that were not met were additional self imposed ones. It wasn't clear what they were or how they were not met.
 
As for negligence, under US law, waivers are defeatable - certainly when gross negligence is involved.

I’m not an attorney, so I admit it is my ignorance that motivates me to ask the following questions.

If criminal intent has a lesser requirement in civil cases than it does with criminal cases, what if any wiggle room does Gabe have given that diving is a dangerous sport? To add to this the implied notion of personal responsibility that goes hand in hand with diving, what criminal intent could be proven with Gabe if he simply acted in his own self preservation? I am not saying this is what he did. I’m only looking at how he might try to wiggle out of culpability. If what we are told in rescue diver classes is true, no diver should ever attempt a rescue if doing so puts the rescuer at risk. Doesn’t this give him some wiggle room, even if he isn’t actually a rescue diver?

Secondly, Tina’s death took place in Australia. Can a civil case for a wrongful death in Australia be tried in the US with US punitive damages?

Cheers!
 
Some comments on Dadvocate's post:

1. In most jurisdictions, it is harder for the prosecution to convict someone in a criminal matter than for a plaintiff to prevail in a civil case. In a criminal prosecution, the prosecution must generally prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, the plaintiff must prove fault by just 50% plus 1. Thus, even if Gabe is not found guilty of a crime, he could be found liable in a civil case. (This is what happened to OJ, the first time around.)

2. The fact that diving can be dangerous is relevant only to the extent that it gives Gabe the opportunity to argue an alternative explanation for Tina's death, i.e. that he did not kill her.

3. In a homicide, there is a difference between murder, manslaughter and negligent homicide. Murder generally entails intent without justification, excuse or mitigation. If there is gross negligence, but no intent (and my recollection serves me correctly), the most one can have is manslaughter. There are generally two levels of manslaughter, voluntary and involuntary. The distinction is based on the existence of a justification or excuse or other mitigating factor. If there is only ordinary negligence (and my recollection serves me correctly, then the death is only a negligent homicide (and is rarely a crime).

My sense is that if one becomes separated from one's buddy as sometimes happens while diving, and the buddy dies, there probably is not even a manslaughter. If one abandons one's buddy and the buddy dies, there still is probably not even a manslaughter. If one abandons one's buddy while the buddy is in distress, there is probably manslaughter. If one abandons a buddy in distress because one is himself in grave peril or thinks getting help is a better idea, it is probably involuntary manslaughter. If one abandons a buddy in distress in order to continue with his dive, etc. it is probably voluntary manslaughter. If one turns off a buddy's air as part of a pre-arranged drill and the buddy dies, it is probably involuntary manslaughter. If one turns off a buddy's air as horseplay, it is probably voluntary manslaughter. If one turns off a buddy's air because one would rather have a different buddy next time ...

As a general rule, the law does not require one to place oneself in great peril to assist another especially if one did not put the other in peril. In fact, in most US jurisdictions, unless one either (1) creates the situation, (2) has voluntarily undertaken to protect another, or (3) has prevented someone else from acting, one can sit idly by and watch someone else struggle and die. In California, the law allows someone to sit idly by on the beach and watch another person drown, even if it would be easy to either help or call for help. There would be an exception if the one on the beach had obscured a warning sign or the one on the beach had assured other possible rescuers that the drowning was just an act as part of a class or the one on the beach had previously told the victim he would keep an eye on the victim and would summon help if necessary and the victim relied on that assurance when entering the water. Note, this is just some general principles and your mileage may vary.

4. As far as a civil suit in the US. I cannot see why that would not be allowed. As US residents, the US and the state in which Gabe and Tina lived would have jurisdiction over Gabe. And, the home state would also be deemed a proper venue. Whether the law of the state in which they lived or the law of Australia would apply is a bit more complicated. Nothing stops a state from applying some other jurisdiction's laws to a given case. It is frequently done and there is a lot of law on whose law applies to a given case. If he wanted to prevent the matter from being tried in the US, the best Gabe could argue is that it is an inconvenient forum because the witnesses and evidence are in Australia and cannot be brought to the US.

5. Unless there is a smoking gun, my guess is that the only reason the authorities are even looking seriously at the case is because of the inconsistencies in Gabe's story. But for those, the prosecution would have just about nothing. (Think of how many inexplicable diving deaths there are every year and how few prosecutions there are.) it is the inconsistencies that give the case teeth.

It is because of possible inconsistencies that many experts tell people to NEVER SPEAK TO THE AUTHORITIES. Consider the following: There is a bank robbery by an unknown person. The only evidence to connect you with it is that a witness comes forward and says he saw you two blocks from the bank. In this situation, the police have nothing. But, if you say you were somewhere else, even if true, the police have an inconsistency and that leads to a suspicion and further investigation. And, if you say anything more, there may be more inconsistencies. (Of course if you have sufficient, credible, independent witnesses who can unqualifiedly identify you as being elsewhere at the exact time, you may get off. However, you may get to spend a few days in jail and get to pay for a lawyer in the meanwhile.)
 
I'm intrigued by "If criminal intent has a lesser requirement in civil cases than it does with criminal cases.....".

If it's civil, it's civil. If it's criminal, it's criminal. "Criminal intent" makes the case criminal. There seems to be some muddled thinking here.
 
That inconsistency is mine, I think. I wrote my post while tired. I probably should have used "negligence" in the civil case as a comparison to criminality.

Cheers!
 
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