Wreck Penetration

[JayJudge]

Full penentration, Yes. Sticking you'r head into the hull/bridge, No.
And ice-diving with a reel...Not an option for a person without the proper training and knowledge of linehandling and methods for refinding a lost reel. A thick rope around the waist is the way.

Cutting corners kills.

Best reagards.

ok, I know some agencies teach it this way, but I have to ask- would you tie a line to yourself and your buddy on any other type of dive? And to the poster about having done the wrecks off NC and they are not technical penetrations- U-352, Papoose/Hutton/ lets rename it again wreck, etc. I would say most of us would agree that they are true penetrations.

 

[Blackwood]

IANTD definition of "Sport Diving" includes light decompression dives in the Adv. Nitrox class, and even Adv Rec Trimix.

Well, if we're getting agency specific, note that IANTD offers a course called "Technical Diver."

 

[Thalassamania]

Sport (or "Sports") Diving was pretty much the standard term for most of diving's existence. Until fairly recently it included light decompression and a depth limit of 190 FSW. The 130 foot depth limit really only came about in the 1980s and had no other basis than 130 being the depth that the U.S. Navy preferred to switch to Surface Supplied Air as a more efficient way to get the work done; 190 was where you went off the Standard Air Tables on onto the less well tested Exceptional Exposure Tables.

 

[Reg Braithwaite]

The 130 foot depth limit really only came about in the 1980s and had no other basis than 130 being the depth that the U.S. Navy preferred to switch to Surface Supplied Air as a more efficient way to get the work done; 190 was where you went off the Standard Air Tables on onto the less well tested Exceptional Exposure Tables.

Thanks!!!

As I am learning about SCUBA and the agencies, I am discovering that you get a tremendous sense of fun and well-being if you just take everything at face value. But if you look at where the 'rules' come from and why things are the way they are, you get a tremendous and unpleasant shock.

It's a little like finding out what goes into sausages. You have to decide early on that either you don't want to know, or you don't want to eat them.

 

[Aquatic Eagle]

I'm not as familiar with PADI specialties so what's the deal with this Wreck Diver ?
It says that a 15 year old Adventure Diver can earn the specialty but it also says students will learn to enter intact wrecks. I don't know what the specifics are for this course so...is it just talking about entering big wrecks with no entanglement hazards and direct access to the surface? If not, 15 and Adventure Diver sounds a bit early.

 

[Blackwood]

I'm not as familiar with PADI specialties so what's the deal with this Wreck Diver ?
It says that a 15 year old Adventure Diver can earn the specialty but it also says students will learn to enter intact wrecks. I don't know what the specifics are for this course so...is it just talking about entering big wrecks with no entanglement hazards and direct access to the surface? If not, 15 and Adventure Diver sounds a bit early.

My understanding is that direct access to the surface is not guaranteed. I believe it's one of those "130 total linear feet from the surface" deals. In other words, the allowable penetration is limited to 130 feet minus depth.

I don't imagine it would be taught in difficult wrecks with numerous entanglement hazards, etc., but who knows?

 

[lowridersvt]

I'm not as familiar with PADI specialties so what's the deal with this Wreck Diver ?
It says that a 15 year old Adventure Diver can earn the specialty but it also says students will learn to enter intact wrecks. I don't know what the specifics are for this course so...is it just talking about entering big wrecks with no entanglement hazards and direct access to the surface? If not, 15 and Adventure Diver sounds a bit early.

Padi's wreck diver speciaties is more of a external wreck servey course than actual wreck penatration course. Other than cavern padi does not offer a real over head eviroment course. Naui tech offers a wreck penetration with in rec limits and a technical wreck pen course with is max depth of 165Ft on trimix .Witch is very similar to a cave course when it comes down to skills that you get from the course.

 

[Steve50]

My understanding is that direct access to the surface is not guaranteed. I believe it's one of those "130 total linear feet from the surface" deals. In other words, the allowable penetration is limited to 130 feet minus depth.

I don't imagine it would be taught in difficult wrecks with numerous entanglement hazards, etc., but who knows?

Padi's wreck diver speciaties is more of a external wreck servey course than actual wreck penatration course. Other than cavern padi does not offer a real over head eviroment course. Naui tech offers a wreck penetration with in rec limits and a technical wreck pen course with is max depth of 165Ft on trimix .Witch is very similar to a cave course when it comes down to skills that you get from the course.

Actually Blackwood is correct penetration to 130' total horizontal and vertical from surface - and also to stay within the light zone.

 

[Aquatic Eagle]

Padi's wreck diver speciaties is more of a external wreck servey course than actual wreck penatration course.

That's what I would hope but it says on the PADI site that they teach you to enter wrecks safely. They just don't have specifics on what kind of wreck.

 

[Thalassamania]

Thanks!!!

As I am learning about SCUBA and the agencies, I am discovering that you get a tremendous sense of fun and well-being if you just take everything at face value. But if you look at where the 'rules' come from and why things are the way they are, you get a tremendous and unpleasant shock.

It's a little like finding out what goes into sausages. You have to decide early on that either you don't want to know, or you don't want to eat them.

I hate to spoil anyone's fun ... but I always felt that being conversant with the facts helps people to make good decisions.