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I did my AOW dives with an instructor, got my logbook signed but have yet to do the book work or pay for the class. To me the cost of the class can be better used for alot of quarry entry fees and air fills to dive with experienced divers.
 
I also think it was valuable. It also bepends on what you want to dive in the future. I wanted the ability to dive deeper, which is required in the course as well as Navigation. It is a stepping stone as was mentioned and it does depend on the instructor. In the search and recovery I was taught the different paterns that are used to search and the a few different ways to secure a found object and to get it to the surface safely. The others I didn't really care about what they were as long as I got to dive on the wrecks where I took my course. Since then I have switched to double tanks and have gotten more used to limited vis. I would recommend it to anyone.
 
I did my AOW fairly quickly after my OW and I feel like it was money well spent. It really expanded on what I learned in the OW course and I feel like I jumped up the learning curve pretty dramatically as a result. Of course like others have mentioned, it does depend on your instructor and I had an excellent one.

Infact, on my first dive after the AOW I had some equipment issues while diving on the Eagle in the Keys and I know that the additional training of the AOW was the difference between panic and remaining level headed.

I think you can learn the skills on your own but it will take longer.
 
We just finished our AOW while on our dive trip to Fiji. Was it worth it?

As far as the actual skills, we could probably have done just about as much by picking up one copy of the book and reading the chapters we were interested in.

For us, our previous dive experience had been limited to about 40' depth, though, so making our first deep dive in the company of an instructor we knew and trusted added some reassurance. We knew Mark would be watching for signs of narcosis, anxiety, etc. and would be ready to help us deal with any problems that might arise. Some of the other skill dives weren't so critical in that regard, but both my wife and I are of the mindset that getting instruction from a skilled teacher is always a good thing, and worth the cost.

As has also been mentioned, too, there are some dive operations that will check your cert level before allowing you to go on certain dives. While the cost of the AOW book and dives may seem like money you could spend better on equipment or a dive trip, it would be a real bummer to spend a big chunk of money for a trip, only to find when you get there that you can't do the dives you want because your cert card is only OW. While I hear that operators checking certs is rather rare, with my luck, I'd get out on the boat, ready to suit up, and then find it IS one that checks. That can be a lot of money for just a boat ride to sit and watch the waves while everyone else dives.
 
IMO AOW is really a continuation of the first class OW. It use to be called OWII as a follow on to OWI. It's intent is/was to introduce the relativly new diver to different types of dives and environments. I think it is best taken shortly after OW to give a new diver the confidence and know how to perform different types of dives. There is nothing advanced about it and one will not be an expert at anything taking AOW. It is advance only by name and helps one continue down the path to better dive training if it were sought. It is also helpful to have as some dives, particularly deeper dives (going out on charter etc) require it. It is also a requirement for some continued training. I do not think it is required for rescue training in any of the agencies.
 
I agree, it is all about the instructor. Talk to the instructor and ask lots of questions.

It is also how much effort you put in the training.

Make sure you get an instructor that is thorough and really takes his time.

Some classes are like cattle calls but some instructors really care and will help you a great deal.
 
This is a perennial question that has as many answers as people offering the answers.
I can give a dual perspective--looking back when I did my own AOW and now as an instructor.

My perspective as a student:
As others have mentioned, there are certain dives that operators will only allow you to do if you have the training. At one point early in my dive career I was interested in doing a night dive, but was told that I needed at least a night-diving class. So I signed up with a NAUI instructor for the individual class. When I had finished it, he suggested that with just a few more dives I could do the entire AOW cert. I had the time, the price was okay, so I was sold! My instructor chose the dives I would do--we did night, deep, nav, wreck, and search/recovery. None of them was especially well done. In fact, he doubled up the night + wreck into a single dive, and he just threw a brightly-colored weightbelt off the back of the boat and told me to go get it for s/r. I remember having to learn something about tank construction, but can't recall which dive this might have been for, and since I wasn't given a book for the course (I did no reading at all nor watched any videos), I am at a total loss to explain why. All in all, I guess I'd have to say that my own AOW was fairly weak, but that I did learn some new skills like how to swim in a triangle with a compass. I never thought of it as a waste of time and money.

My perspective as an instructor: I'm sure that my so-so AOW course has influenced how I teach my own PADI AOW courses. No matter what level a student is at, it should be possible to take the student to a new level. For example, if a student is doing the Peak Performance Buoyancy class and has pretty decent control, the instructor could introduce techniques like variations on kicking such as frog kicks, finning backwards, hovering head-down, performing helicopter turns, etc. If on the other hand a student dives like a seahorse swims, the focus should be on the basics--getting him/her in trim, helping to put a stop to flailing hands, getting rid of bicycle kicks, etc. In other words, if an instructor is conscientious, just about any dive in the AOW can be made valuable to the student.

As far as curriculum goes, it's possible to select those dives that involve more skill development or those that are more experiential. Ideally, the student and the instructor will discuss which topics to cover in the course so that the diver gets real value, whether that means developing new skills or diving under new conditions. Where I work, the great majority of dives are done from boats, and yet I seldom include "boat diver" as one of the dives for AOW because most of my students have already done a number of boat dives and feel comfortable and confident about it. But I am more than happy to do "boat diver" if a quarry diver comes to me for AOW and is having his/her first ocean dive from a boat. Why not, if that's what will best serve the diver's needs? In other words, the AOW course can be what you make of it, if you are given the option to select which dives you want to do.
 
If it's a card you want with a minimum of fuss and bother, then PADI AOL is just ticket.

If you want to learn a lot of stuff and really advanced YOURSELF as a diver, might I suggest: NAUI Advanced, LA County Advanced, GUE Fundamentals, or UTD Essentials.
 
For me, the answer was no. I didn't learn anything in AOW (Deep, Night/Limited Vis, Nav., Dry suit) that I couldn't/hadn't already learned on my own. But I'm a water baby, had been skin diving since the age of 10, am very self-motivated when learning something that interests me, and have spent a lot of time in various outdoor recreations on my own. My instructor was also not the most thorough. HTH,

Guy

Guy

I have the same experience as you in my AOW. And it looks like we live in the same area, I wonder if we use the same dive shop/instructor for AOW, lol.

Basically, I didn't learn anything from my AOW instructor. Instead, I just got 5 "somewhat supervised" dives. A few things really left me thinking about the whole experience:

1) The instructor didn't emphasize on the 2-person buddy system. There were only 3 students in the class. He let us make up a 3-person team. Not that I think this is a huge issue, but as an instructor, I think he should follow the agency's policy.

2) The instructor didn't emphasize on buddy check. Out of the 5 dives, we only did buddy check for the first dive. When we skipped the check, he didn't say or do anything. I know this was our own issue, but as an instructor, he should point out the issue

3) He didn't intent to discuss dive plan, or he simple assumed we will follow him. On shallower dives in my familiar places, I didn't speak up. On the boats/deep dives, my first time, I had to ask him what was the dive plan, turn pressure, ascend procedure ... before he breifly told us what he had in mind.

There were a few other things I didn't think he did nearly enough as an instructor. After this AOW, I wonder if this is the way AOW goes.
 
If it's a card you want with a minimum of fuss and bother, then PADI AOL is just ticket.

If you want to learn a lot of stuff and really advanced YOURSELF as a diver, might I suggest: NAUI Advanced, LA County Advanced, GUE Fundamentals, or UTD Essentials.
Thal, I did NAUI Advanced and in fact got only a card--minimal instruction; no materials. In no way was it anywhere near as demanding as, for example, Fundies. Did you mean to say NAUI Master Diver?
 
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