How many dives before solo diving, part II

I had less than 25 dives when I began soloing, and now I have:

  • 0-24

    Votes: 8 16.3%
  • 25-50

    Votes: 4 8.2%
  • 50-99

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • 100-249

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • 250+

    Votes: 25 51.0%

  • Total voters
    49

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There's an assumption that I was trying to 'change' Master00Sniper's mind. I wasn't. He makes his own choices. I'd rather use him as an abject lesson for anyone else who visits this forum.

It's not my role to 'beg' idiots not to put themselves in risk. I make people into better divers, I don't mollycoddle them. If someone doesn't want to listen, then I won't lose any sleep over what becomes of them. I fulfill my responsibility by telling the truth. If that's too hard for some people to stomach, then it's their issue. If Master00Sniper wants to be pampered and fussed over, then I guess he found himself a few 'mummy substitutes' here on the forum. Good for him and good for them. Cuddles all around :bunny:

"I make people into better divers, I'm calling master00sniper an idiot without actually saying so, I'm gonna use him as a lesson, I tell the truth, nobody is right but me, If people can't accept my truth its their issue"

tsk tsk tsk

Can this guy stomach the fact that people like Bob and others were able to tell basically the same opinion but are much easier to listen to? no. Its my fault. I don't listen because I'm an idiot. He's just doing his civil duty making fun of newbies because that's definitely the best way to potential save their lives. Its obvious that I want to be pampered and fussed over, that's why I started these two polls. He obviously see's that I'm the OP right? Of course. I'll start up a thousand threads just to get people to mollycoddle me. Leave your advice at the door. Everyone just accept me and worship me as the best new beginner to ever hit the water :)
 
Made this simple. When people get angry, because they don't recieve the 'right' advice or that my tone doesn't pamper their ego..... just ignore them. I have better things to do than read tantrum posts by children.

This message is hidden because master00sniper is on your ignore list.

Ah, peace and quiet :)

Just one final comment...I feel "Master00Sniper" is a disrespectful username. However good you feel you are on HALO or whatever Playstation reality gets you off..... there are boys over in the sandpit who wouldn't appreciate you calling yourself that.
 
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What exactly do you think you are proving? lmfao

What me and several other people have posted on here, as well as many others messaged me about in my inbox. Your the dude that knows a lot but also knows everything and not afraid to say it in whatever way fits your attitude :cool2:
 
master00sniper

I am not sure how old you are, but I am going to guess from your posts that you must be in your early twenty’s. I am not so old that I don’t clearly recall that period of my life. I know that when I was that age me and my close friends were bullet proof. We would do or try anything for a rush. From cars to skiing to surfing and diving. The higher, faster, deeper or what ever was needed to get that feeling. Then one day I woke up and found my Kryptonite. It was called middle age. I had work, home, family and children that were my responsibility. I was lucky, I made it there. Some of my friends weren’t so lucky.

I know that people your age don’t like being told what to do. I never did at that age either. Do understand that most of what these people are telling you is in the hope that you will not make a mistake and become one of the unlucky ones. Everyone has their idea of how best to try and get that point across. Some methods you will respond to better than others. We can all see that in the way some of these posts are being traded back and forth. But the message is pretty much all the same.
 
master00sniper

I am not sure how old you are, but I am going to guess from your posts that you must be in your early twenty’s. I am not so old that I don’t clearly recall that period of my life. I know that when I was that age me and my close friends were bullet proof. We would do or try anything for a rush. From cars to skiing to surfing and diving. The higher, faster, deeper or what ever was needed to get that feeling. Then one day I woke up and found my Kryptonite. It was called middle age. I had work, home, family and children that were my responsibility. I was lucky, I made it there. Some of my friends weren’t so lucky.

I know that people your age don’t like being told what to do. I never did at that age either. Do understand that most of what these people are telling you is in the hope that you will not make a mistake and become one of the unlucky ones. Everyone has their idea of how best to try and get that point across. Some methods you will respond to better than others. We can all see that in the way some of these posts are being traded back and forth. But the message is pretty much all the same.

You are exactly right. I am 21, and just barely that. I too enjoy the rush. Wakeboarding, Diving, Climbing, definitely cars. Had some fun times racing cars.

Getting told what to do isn't fun. Basically nobody likes being told what to do. That isn't my point entirely. Most of the people I've communicated with on here, like yourself, come across knowledgeable, polite, and to the point. You made a connection then gave me your point. I read your post, and while it may not be a popular point amongst people my age, I see legit knowledge and slight concern.

Perhaps you may read an exchange between myself and DevonDiver, and think that while more arrogant than others he's just concerned for my well being. I do not think this is the case. While nobody enjoys seeing threads pop up in the A&I section, I legitimately believe he would like to see a thread about me in this section. It would actually make him right. Every time he has told me I was gonna kill myself in other areas of the forum, it would come true. He could use this as an example to all his students, why nobody should think differently than he does.

He writes, somewhere behind this post, that he didn't want to change my mind, rather use me as a lesson. You cannot use me as a lesson so long as I am like the 40% of other solo divers in here. Else he would be using them as a lesson as well. One that has no point, because they are all still alive and diving.

Everyone else got the their point across, some of whom had the same point, and I read every word. Ultimately my opinion changed. Yet he has not recognized that. Perhaps he still thinks my change in opinion is still wayyyyy too unsafe. I'd venture to guess that he doesn't want my opinion to change. If I remain the cocky young new diver, obviously I am more likely to be dismissed in these forums, and more likely to have an accident, whether it ultimately is 'likely' or not.

This is what I see from him, and this is why I originally responded to his posts without applying my brain to forum filter. I'm doing a little of that now, but only because I've had a chat with a couple mods. To everyone else, I try to apply a good amount of respect to my posts, which is very hard for me to do when I am upset.

He assumes that I came here for praise. He assumes that I'm here to contribute something. He is right in the sense that I have nothing to contribute. Other than telling you who I am, the only things I believe I have really contributed are my experiences as a new diver, and my experiences on 3 easy solo dives. I did not come here thinking everyone would respect me and praise me. If you trace this whole solo conversation back to its very early roots, you'll find I was looking for knowledge. That is why I came here, and I have received an immense amount of it, from a lot of different people and I appreciate each and every one of you. I can see how I may have appeared arrogant, but really I was just confident. It's always been my thing to take on something new and adapt to it quickly. I've apologized for appearing arrogant in the beginning, to those of you who thought that.

Besides all that, the snide comments just get annoying. I mean you can be stern and prove the point that I'm new and your experienced without telling me I'm a joke, telling me i'm pretending to be something i'm not trying to pretend to be, telling me i've been an ass (which if i was, I have apologized for it), and telling me i'm acting like a spoiled child right?
 
The funny thing about some of this is. Here most of the people posting on this thread are advising caution and training. I have been diving since the early seventies and skiing since I was five. I didn't take a class in diving for close to 30 years. Now I can't wait to take my next one. The same with skiing. I used to be an instructor at Mammoth when I was your age. I didn't need lessons, I was giving them. I live now about 20 minutes from a nice little resort. Last year I got in about 45 days or more. I still ski well. I happened to ride up a lift one day with a local instructor. We got to talking about the best way to really make the newer ski's work. Before I knew it I was taking a class from him. I was surprised at how just a few quick pointers allowed me to climb above the plateau I was on which allowed me to have better response out of the ski’s I am currently using. I am sure I will look him up this year when I decide to demo this years model. The same thing with my diving.

My point of this whole dissertation is, for ME the learning has become a major part of the enjoyment. I wish I would have figured some of this out years ago. It would have saved a number of close calls and a lot of fumbling around……
 
I don't think anyone would say that you 'have' to have training. Experience can be gained in itself and get a diver to the same level eventually. Effective training just means that you can benefit from someone else's experience and avoid the mistakes and pitfalls along the way.

Self-training is acceptable in many pursuits. There are certain risks in scuba diving that mean an approach of learning via trial and error is a very dangerous approach. This is even more true of solo diving, as without the 'safety net' of a buddy, the 'errors' are so much more unforgiving.

The biggest sins in diving are false/over-confidence, ego and complacency. It'll never be proved by statistics, but I genuinely believe that those 3 factors lie behind the vast majority of scuba incidents and fatalities.

Stepping outside of a super-sheltered, office-bound, existence into the real world of risks requires a transition in mindset. It is apparent from these discussions that many people have no real comprehension of what it feels like to believe you are going to die. As a consequence, there is so much bravado and machismo about the risks involved.

Some divers are very scornful of the "...or you can die" attitude of some experienced divers/instructors. It shocks their sensibilities and rebounds off their perceptions of the safe little insulated worlds that they live in. The people who use those words are normally the most experienced divers. They are certainly the divers who have, at some time, thought they were going to die.

One thing I dislike about recreational dive training is that it is designed to comfort divers. It is deliberate insulates against the realities and risks of diving. That may shock some divers... but it is true. PADI instructors are taught not to mention the risks...or the threat of death. It is not seen as 'good for business'. Divers may get scared and quit their training. The result is over-confident, under-experienced novice divers. Some of us try to balance that mis-perception. Sorry if that bursts anyone's bubble.
 
One thing I dislike about recreational dive training is that it is designed to comfort divers. It is deliberate insulates against the realities and risks of diving. That may shock some divers... but it is true. PADI instructors are taught not to mention the risks...or the threat of death. It is not seen as 'good for business'. Divers may get scared and quit their training. The result is over-confident, under-experienced novice divers. Some of us try to balance that mis-perception. Sorry if that bursts anyone's bubble.

i so agree with that.

The BSAC system i learned with nearly 20 years ago was designed to take the candidate into diving in temperate waters with vis not in the 20m league. it's been dumbed down over the past 10 years to something approaching theon holiday, tropical waters, 20m+ vis with a supervisor type diving. if that's what you want then it's fine for you, some of us want a whole lot more.

For example the PADI 'advanced diver' has done about 20(?) dives, the BSAC Advanced Diver is a whole lot more

Advanced Diver - British Sub Aqua Club
 
Many years ago, I had the pleasure of doing some BSAC courses with an SBS instructor at Fort Bovisand. It was a shock to my system after only having exposure to the PADI system (as OW and AOW diver).

In the space of the first week...I went from feeling 'excellently capable' to understanding that I would be unlikely to cope with any real emergency.

I had simular experiences when I entered tech training and, later, again when I started technical exploration of shipwrecks.

I love being 'humbled' on a training course. It tells me I am getting value for my money and really developing myself. I just feel pity for those people who avoid learning those lessons because their egos cannot cope with it. :(
 
Made this simple. When people get angry, because they don't recieve the 'right' advice or that my tone doesn't pamper their ego..... just ignore them. I have better things to do than read tantrum posts by children.



Ah, peace and quiet :)

Just one final comment...I feel "Master00Sniper" is a disrespectful username. However good you feel you are on HALO or whatever Playstation reality gets you off..... there are boys over in the sandpit who wouldn't appreciate you calling yourself that.

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This is funny.

Old insults removed, new ones added (offensive user name really? lol). Total ignore even tho my post above made complete valid points. I know a few boys in the sandpit Andy. I also communicate with a lot of my friends here in the states but who are in the military via Xbox Live, with the same username. If it makes you feel better, As a younger boyscout at age 14 taking the rifle shooting merit badge, I was the only one who could make 5 shots at 25 yards within a dime rather than a quarter. I've improved a bit since then. I have a .22 hanging up on my wall handed down from my great grandfather from the 1920's. It could also apply to my style of shooting in paintball.
 
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