PADI Deep Diver specialty course worthwhile?

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I was fortunate enough to do my NAUI Deep Speciality at Instructor level with Jim Hicks back in 1994/1995 coming from the commercial diving field I found it great..nice clean, deep, warm water with no real stresses and work dead-lines...I learnt more about how the other side of diving does deeper dives...I would say on the whole that it was really worth while...
 
Knowledge of deep diving is certainly important around these parts. The best wrecks off NC are at 120 to 170. When it comes to diving, I always remember what my father told me growing up when I complained about school: "It's not what you know that hurts you, it's what you don't know."
 
The last thing you want to be is a DM that is not comfortable within recreational limits. More experience with depth, especially with an instructor, should be a big help.
 
I took PADI Deep Diver back in march at Tablerock Lake. IMO it was a worth while class. Like mentioned above it will fill gaps of knowledge and uneasiness. After taking this class I found that I like going deep and learned that I want to further my diving into the Tec realm of diving. From reading your post this might be your best option and see what direction you want to go down the road. The class was great and the dives were awesome. The video sucks. LOL
 
How about hearing from someone who has actually taken the PADI Deep course?

I took the PADI Deep course in the Florida Keys in December 2010. As is usually mentioned in this type of thread, I think the instructor makes a huge difference, so my experience is just one example. Just as a frame of reference: We are fairly new divers, and had made one or two deep dives before the December 2010 trip. We took a PADI wreck class just before this deep class (on the same trip; from the same instructor). So we got to make quite a few deeper dives on that trip. The number of dives with a guide did help me.

However, I'm not sure I would say I got a lot more out of my class than I would have got by reading ScubaBoard and making four deep dives with a guide (which is not to say four deep dives with a guide is not a good thing). Basically, we got the PADI book, read it and did the knowledge reviews at home, then arrived for our dives, checked over our Nitrox, and took the boat out to our dive sites. The instructor talked about the dive some on the way out. Then we made the dives, following him. Afterward he photocopied our knowledge reviews and we got our cards.

That sounds like we didn't learn anything, and that's not true. But I would like to have learned more, and it stressed me to feel that potential slipping through our fingers.

A deep diver course, taken with a well motivated and knowledgeable instructor, will provide tools, techniques and knowledge that help mitigate risk within the deeper recreational diving ranges. The primary thing missing from that course syllabus is gas management. However, a properly educated and experienced instructor should be able to supplement this into the course to ensure completeness (if they cannot, they shouldn't be teaching deep diving).

Sadly, it is true that not every scuba instructor should be teaching deep diving. The skill, experience and knowledge requirements for becoming a specialist deep diving instructor with PADI, and many other agencies, are virtually non-existent.

Critical factors that need to be expanded for deep diving are:


1) Inert-gas narcosis awareness and management
2) Precision dive planning
3) Gas management
4) DCI awareness and first aid
5) Equipment configuration and appropriate redundancy
6) Team/Buddy Procedures
7) Situational awareness
8) Advanced buoyancy skills
9) DSMB deployment
10) Use of appropriate lighting
11) Emergency decompression procedures
12) Self-sufficiency and self-rescue

Of that list, I would say that we touched on number 9 (possibly because we had requested it specifically) by one of us shooting an SMB on one dive. The rest of the list was somewhat discussed (in varying amounts) in the PADI Deep book, but not really in the class itself (which was just dives; no formal classroom). I would have loved a class that did cover all those points, and we did our best to interview instructors and find the best one; but the really good ones seem hard to find (and/or were not available/nearby when we were there diving).

I don't mean to sound like a downer, and of course we were diving, we did dive Deep, and if you are a thinking diver you can't help but learn things on a dive if you try. So this type of class might be just what you are looking for (I was hoping for the type of thing DevonDiver described).

What we (my buddy and I) did do, to supplement the course, was figure out some things on our own, and "practice" and discuss them at our lodging between dives. This made me feel like we were making more use of our dives/class.

For example, we read and discussed NWGratefulDiver's and Lamont's gas planning web pages, and did our own gas planning in the evening (this was not used on the dive, but we knew what the differences were between what we would do later on our own, and what we were doing on those dives). We looked at different tank stats and combinations and discussed things like weighting and how we would handle air shares/gas planning with them.

We also watched videos (from the web at our lodging) about how to send up SMBs. We read up on the different types of SMBs and why/when one might choose one over the other.

We read about (online) and discussed the different ways to ascend (different depths and lengths of stops) and how we might choose to do them when on our own.


I notice you have PM'ed NetDoc. He is one of the instructors I had hoped to take the Deep/Wreck class from, but the scheduling did not work out (thanks to an errant oyster knife :shocked2:). That said, my buddy and I did dive with him a couple of weeks ago, and that only confirmed my prior feeling that a class with him would have been fantastic. It was a great day and even though we were "just fun diving," we got some good tips (and had a lot of fun :))

Blue Sparkle

PS:
As an aside: I had one mini-incident/learning experience that caused me not to finish my Deep class on that trip (there was not time to make another deep dive after that day). Our last Deep-class dive was on a wreck, and (for the first time) there was quite a bit of current. The DM instructed us to hold the trailing line in one hand as we jumped in. He also asked me to fully inflate my BC (although I customarily put air in it, I don't usually fully inflate it before I jump in). Well, I made a dumb mistake: I'm so used to using both hands on other things when I jump in that that's what I did (one hand on mask, one on reg) and I accidentally let go of the line and started drifting away. A mad surface swim got me back to the line, but by then I was so winded/stressed that I decided to thumb the dive (my buddy made the dive with the instructor). Of course two minutes later, on the boat, I felt fine and somewhat wished I had gone, but as they say in boating, "Better to be on the dock wishing you were sailing than to be sailing and wishing you were on the dock."

I did get some advice later on that I might have been better off not to super-inflate my BC because that can actually make it harder to swim on the surface in current. That makes sense to me and in future I will stick with my usual partially filled BC (of course not letting go of the line would have helped too!). I did finish my Deep class a couple of weeks ago by making that fourth dive - that felt good.
 
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Yeah, I know that "is such-and-such a worthwhile course" is a tired old question here, but I couldn't find one specifically for PADI's Deep specialty.

I'm considering it for a few reasons. First, I am not as comfortable as I'd like to be when I'm down at 100 feet or so, despite having maybe a dozen dives that maxed out at 100+ feet under my belt (over the course of 10 years or so) and having done the PADI Rescue course (about five years ago). At 90 or 100 feet, especially when vis is not great, I often start feeling anxiety and wondering if I could get myself out of a mess at that depth. The more I think, the worse it gets. I tell myself to stop thinking so much and enjoy the dive, but it doesn't always work. Sometimes, I have felt it spiraling toward what I was afraid might become panic, and I have ascended a bit to cool my brain off. So far, I have not bolted for the surface--thank God. Maybe it's psychological or maybe narcosis or a combination--who knows. Anyway, I'm thinking that discussing this with an instructor and then going through the motions might be just the ticket for me. I remember feeling absolutely calm on the "deep dive" portion of the AOW course. I was great in AOW class and went on immediately to the Rescue course, which really increased my confidence in the water.

Second, despite this occasional feeling of anxiety that I am determined to rid myself of, I have ambitions of doing some divemastering someday as a semi-retirement career, and I believe I read a thread on SB that said the new PADI DM requirements consider Deep either a prerequisite or desirable for some other reason. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Third, my wife is planning to do the Rescue course this summer, and me spending a day on Deep Diver would give me something to do other than relax (which I'm not good at) while we're at whatever destination we decide on to take these courses.

In view of the above, any reasons NOT to take the Deep course? If you've taken it, did you find it worthwhile? Other thoughts?


I might as well ask a related question here. We were thinking of doing these courses in FL or NC or somewhere in the Southeast so we can drive there from Atlanta. Thoughts on what to look for or avoid in a dive shop offering the Deep course? We do NOT want to do courses in a quarry. We were thinking NC might be interesting because the conditions are not the crystal clear, calm, tropical conditions that we're accustomed to--might the slightly more challenging environment enhance our experience? I've seen it said that there is a difference between those whose training and experience are in places with ideal conditions and those whose training and experience have been in colder, lower-vis waters. Maybe this isn't a significant factor when we're talking about a single course, but I thought that mixing it up a little--putting us in an environment we're not accustomed to--might be good for us.

Also, we've never dived in NC, and we want to see some wrecks!

No, I don't think the course is worthwhile as I understand it, it doesnt teach the most important aspect of diving deep, gas management/planning. As to getting more comfortable with diving, or diving deeper I think a good mentor might be what you need, and or a GUE Fundamentals class.
 
I took the PADI Deep Diver course a few weeks ago in Belize and had a blast.

Do I now know everything there is to know about recreational deep diving? Nah. There's always more to learn. But I did learn a few things and had fun doing it. I've been below 100 feet a number of times but this was only the second time under the direct supervision of an instructor.

We got lucky and had nearly total white-out conditions to make it a little more challenging than it otherwise would have been. Viz was around three feet, by far the worst I've ever seen in Belize and far more typical of a dive here. All three dives were to approximately 100 feet. My computer read 98, the other student's read 100 and our instructor's was right in the middle. In addition to being grilled over the manual's knowledge reviews, we practiced dive planning, compass skills, water pressure demonstrations--wish we had brought a tomato, lol--narcosis awareness (math problems) and breathing off a hanging tank.

Worth it? Absolutely.

For the diving I like to do, warm water wussie recreational diving, deep diving's overrated and I'd never go deep just to go deep. Well, except for Belize's Blue Hole. But every now and then there's a decent reason, like the Spiegel Grove. A little more training in how to do a dive like that is a good thing.
 
Lorenzoid, I carefully read your original post, and I'm not at all sure that taking the deep course is going to change the way you feel about being deep. Honestly, your description of how you feel at 100 feet is very familiar . . . it's called a "dark narc", and that pervasive anxiety can be caused by both nitrogen and CO2 (or a combination of the two) at depth. When I started diving, I got downright paranoid around 100 feet in cold, murky water. It has gotten better with time and experience (and probably better breathing) but I'm still a little on edge in the dark and the haze and the deep. Helium changes everything . . . but that's more advanced training.

It's not that I think taking the class is a bad thing, although my own personal deep class was pretty worthless. I got to pace off 100 feet on land, to see how deep it was; I got to watch the AI birds-nest a reel at 120 feet, and I got to breathe off a hang tank for 8 minutes, while hanging onto a line. There were many other things that I could and should have learned, and I think Blue Sparkle's post is a FANTASTIC one (and I wish I had her for a student!) It's never bad to learn something new, but I'm not sure it will solve your problem.
 
Why is that? I just looked at the video and some of those items are in my AOW class. I also saw some new ones to practice this weekend! Now to rig an al80 as a stage! I got to try those multi's and on and off the line with eyes closed. I've done it carrying a 40 and two 30's at the same time. I was debating on trying the 80 this weekend but that just inspired me. Thanks!
 
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