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Training deaths? The only acceptable number is zero!
tangential issues from a mishap thread
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coldwatercanada
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"Training deaths? The only acceptable number is zero!"
i agree but were not quite there yet
i agree but were not quite there yet
Crush
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jest pleeze lurn tew spehl ahn punk-chew-8.
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coldwatercanada
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lol most of my replies have been typed and sent on my phone, i dont spell check that ****.
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and if auto correct adds the wrong their lol meh
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and don't worry once everyone stops arguing with me or complains about me enough ill be gone from the boards again
Darn, some glitch just erased what I started with...
Retry: Elan, after reading that AOW students go on these wrecks and they die, I read back through the Ontario Underwater Council incident reports back to 2000 and find no mention of these kind of deaths.
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The charter operator I use will not take OW divers out onto these two wrecks, and even with AOW they want you to work up to these wrecks with shallower dives if you have not done this kind of cold water diving before.
Finally, the Forest City lies on a slope, it ran into Bears Rump Island and sank, what's left of the midships begins in 60 ft, the mooring block for boats is in 70 ft, while the stern is in 150. I read your post as sounding like folks are jumping straight into 150 ft of water with an Alu 80. You could dive this wreck and stay above 80 ft easily.
I don't see or hear of AOW classes on either of these wrecks, so who's taking them out there?
Wow...what a thread...... 
Just a few comments (related to some of the earlier posts):
1) I was a student who moved from one certification to the next...ow, aol, rescue diver, master scuba, and DM. Did this in about a year and 1/2 with 110 dives. I chose to do this...however, I also really allowed myself to be "caught" by the sales pitch. Selling the next level... well it does seem like it is a large part of the dive industry.
2) I felt that all the certs and specialty cards came way too easy. For example, in order to meet a standard, it seemed that students simply had to pull off a successful attempt one time. In my mind, it is not surprising at all if a newly certified OW diver does not remember how to perform many of the skills. Unless there is plenty of repetition, the proper protocol probably won't be performed... expecially in a stressful situation.
3) Again, this is only reflective of what I have experienced and observed. How is it possible to effectively teach all confined water skills in one session? I saw this happen quite often...five or six students staying for anywhere from 4-8 hours in the pool to complete all skills in one day. Too much information at one time...and by the end, much is perhaps going in one ear and out the other as the students are incredibly tired. So...again, am not surprised that a newly certified ow student does not remember how to perform many of the skills.
One other comment...I do wonder if this diver was using rental gear or their own personal gear? This question comes to mind because I have seen a lot of rental gear that is much more difficult to "work with".
Just a few comments (related to some of the earlier posts):
1) I was a student who moved from one certification to the next...ow, aol, rescue diver, master scuba, and DM. Did this in about a year and 1/2 with 110 dives. I chose to do this...however, I also really allowed myself to be "caught" by the sales pitch. Selling the next level... well it does seem like it is a large part of the dive industry.
2) I felt that all the certs and specialty cards came way too easy. For example, in order to meet a standard, it seemed that students simply had to pull off a successful attempt one time. In my mind, it is not surprising at all if a newly certified OW diver does not remember how to perform many of the skills. Unless there is plenty of repetition, the proper protocol probably won't be performed... expecially in a stressful situation.
3) Again, this is only reflective of what I have experienced and observed. How is it possible to effectively teach all confined water skills in one session? I saw this happen quite often...five or six students staying for anywhere from 4-8 hours in the pool to complete all skills in one day. Too much information at one time...and by the end, much is perhaps going in one ear and out the other as the students are incredibly tired. So...again, am not surprised that a newly certified ow student does not remember how to perform many of the skills.
One other comment...I do wonder if this diver was using rental gear or their own personal gear? This question comes to mind because I have seen a lot of rental gear that is much more difficult to "work with".
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