NACD Intro - 58cf Limit - Why?

[Kevin Carlisle]

Where did you see A.J was an instructor? Even if he was, with his organization he wouldnt really have competition. He cares about cave conservation. I think you just like to post to be posting.

QUOTE=VooDooGasMan;6271378]Thal, pfcaj did make his case in post #73, he'd rather less people get into cave diving. High diver traffic f's up caves.

Now why would this person make this statement when they teach cave diving, Ah I know Competition. This will never change, lets see the newest cave orgs. DIR, GUE, UTD. all came from the original cave divers that started the first class ever.

I was still a teenager and my first cave like dive was in a mine near Isle royale, spent three months straight diving these mines and the weekend taking diver to the wrecks Off the Island to pay for gas food and beer and what not. Then I brought many divers there and at that point are area had fresh water caves (mines) to dive. Then when I went to actual caves around the world it was a piece of cake.

Its all diving submerged and you run into different applications, be it wreck, salvage, cave, or my favorite right now is wicked ass current deep and covering miles.

The guy I currently been diving with is an old caver, we had to great dives today.

Cave & Altitude Diving (in Czech) - JanKocian's Photos


You guys are actually new cave divers as I still feel when I dive with this diver.[/QUOTE]

 

[LiteHedded]

Who said anything about GUE?? My statement was about certain people, not an entire organization.

what have I said that you disagree with? you think the cave agencies are doing just fine training divers? think long and hard about that before you answer.

the rest of your post is nonsense. no point responding to it.

 

[cavemn]

OOps, I'am sorry you have only been a member since 2010, I should have not responded to your post.

I started diving when I was 15. That was 30 years ago. You are obviously an internet troll.

 

[Jax]

Time for some levity . . .

 

[PfcAJ]

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Good job, you listed steps. I think you'll find application in the real world a bit more difficult than mashing some keys. And you missed some finer points which I will let you ponder.

Like I said, its a lot easier to cave dive from your computer. And if you think a lava tube is the same thing as an average Fl or Mexico cave, come take a field trip. Until then, you're just looking like a clown. In fact, keep going. I like it when you look like a clown.

 

[cavemn]

Well, here's the lost line drill:
This is supposed to be difficult? Am I supposed to panic and pee my suit? I've run more miles of twine through my fingers underwater than any cave diver that know just laying transects and handling the tether on blue water dives. Am I supposed to be cowed by the prospect of a little line work? If this is what you guys see as scary or difficult, it is no wonder that you need help to learn it.

Here's the point T. If you are truly a person of higher learning then you understand the three Es; Education, Experience and Exposure. Learning takes all three to become well rounded. More of one cannot make up for the other three. It's one thing to understand the steps. It takes a little more to perform the drill with an instructor nearby. It is a whole different experience in a silt out deep in a cave with no one to save you. It takes a lot of composure, confidence and muscle memory when the clock is ticking.

 

[LiteHedded]

Thal, I would like to take you on a cave dive.
anytime you're in florida look me up and we'll go diving. if you survive it I'll listen to what you have to say.

 

[VooDooGasMan]

Kevin if you want cave conservation, either buy them so you have the power to control who dives them (that will never happen) or shut them down so no one can dive them ever again (that will never happen).

How does it have to be that all cave orgs cannot get along, oh I see for the most part they all due just the newest one thinks they govern the rest.

Ice diving is just another form of diving, and you are clipped to a surface line in some applications, diving is dangerous no matter what kind of dive you go on.

Classes are for people that have not obtained self survival in there life. Experience and aware of your surroundings is all you need.

I find there is very little info learned in diving deaths, its just the mystery of what was the mistake they made to due them selves in. Answer is do not make a mistake and you will surface.

Thal is correct you need not a cert card to do dives, it is just a merit badge. Instruction is good for those who never dive. Also it is for those who like to be in a group and get involved with others.

But I got to tell you to sit on this thread and say that a cave org is not safe diving with a single tank is stupid, and they will still do it so to get divers involved, of course that is pfcaj plan to get that out of the equation, so he will have less cave divers.

I see how this plays out, when they started here in seattle with the kent shop, After two safety divers post that all this org is doing is getting us to pay for there charters and there diving, till we get a pass on a ton of dives. I am pretty sure these divers are now very good tech and wreck and cave divers at this point, and they did it on there own.

The diver I dive with got a OW card 30 Years later to vacation dive cause they started asking for them.

 

[JamesK]

That's great. Someone knows the steps. I can read the steps on how to drive a Formula 1 car, I have been driving for 20 years, and I used to race road courses. Heck, I should be able to jump right in the Formula 1 car and be a champ.

I have done lost line drills more times then I can remember, with and without an instructor present. However, the one time in Mexico when the **** hit the fan, I was very glad I had a formal education and not just read about it on the internet. I was able to perform the drill and get out of the cave safely.

 

[SuPrBuGmAn]

some of the most outrageous ragged edge exploration was done on a single tank. Talk to Jason Richards, he seems to be a big fan of an AL80 with a slingshot.

He said cave divers, not aquatic cave moles.