Reminder: Always do an S-drill before or at the beginning of your dive

[Jim Lapenta]

Quick question.......how many folks here were taught what a "long hose setup" was even about in their BASIC OW??? I know I wasn't.

Reading through the posts, I can certainly understand the confusion of the "noobies" as this particular forum is for "New Divers and Those Considering Diving."

While the concepts presented are solid, is THIS particular forum the best place, as opposed to Advanced or even Basic......jus askin????

I wasn't. Which is why every one of my students is not only taught about it but gets to try mine and we do air shares with it. I also teach them donate octo and donate primary for OOA's. I do not teach regulator take. So yes, it is in the proper forum as this is basic info. Or should be.

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[elan]

Quick question.......how many folks here were taught what a "long hose setup" was even about in their BASIC OW??? I know I wasn't.

Reading through the posts, I can certainly understand the confusion of the "noobies" as this particular forum is for "New Divers and Those Considering Diving."

While the concepts presented are solid, is THIS particular forum the best place, as opposed to Advanced or even Basic......jus askin????

As I understand the idea of the original post was not that you have to do the checks when you have the long hose but rather do your pre-dive checks no matter what religion you follow PADI/NAUI/GUE or any other Global Professional National Association of Uniform Nitrox Dive Explorers.

 

[Hawkwood]

Quick question.......how many folks here were taught what a "long hose setup" was even about in their BASIC OW??? I know I wasn't.

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Well, my students learn that they will encounter many different equipment configurations, including the alternate, long hose with a reg on a necklace, Air II, etc. They understand that as part of the pre-dive safety check it is up to them to enquire and understand how to use configuration they might not be familiar with.

I also encourage them to ask questions of other divers when they see something different. Divers love to talk about their equipment, why not take advantage of that fact? I usually get a chuckle out of the students when I mention that like many other equipment dependent pursuits, they might also get told why their gear choice was not the best.

 

[DukeAMO]

I wasn't taught about the long hose configuration in my OW class, but I was in my very first dive post-cert. We were diving with a couple of more experienced divers, and the one giving us a tour explained what the long hose setup was about and showed us how it would be used in an out of air situation. It's pretty a common setup, I think.

 

[boulderjohn]

Well, my students learn that they will encounter many different equipment configurations, including the alternate, long hose with a reg on a necklace, Air II, etc. They understand that as part of the pre-dive safety check it is up to them to enquire and understand how to use configuration they might not be familiar with.

I do the same.

The truth is, though, that although this configuration seems to be growing in popularity, a large number of people, including many instructors, have never seen it. We had a thread a while back in which someone said that he was told as an instructor that he cannot use that configuration because it is a violation of standards. I checked on that, and I learned directly from PADI that for that agency at least, it is not only not a violation, it is very good to do as Hawkwood suggests above and show students all the different possibilities they may encounter and give the pros and cons.

 

[BabyDuck]

i saw the long hose configuration as a scuba student because i was being taught by an instructor who is also a cave diver (not a cave instructor) who was teaching just me in his personal gear. i agree it isn't common, more's the pity, but it does happen.

thanks for the reminder, jonnythan. we've missed you!

 

[leabre]

We had a thread a while back in which someone said that he was told as an instructor that he cannot use that configuration because it is a violation of standards. I checked on that, and I learned directly from PADI that for that agency at least, it is not only not a violation, it is very good to do as Hawkwood suggests above and show students all the different possibilities they may encounter and give the pros and cons.

I wouldn't think it a violation of any agency standards, but it may be a violation of shop standards. I know where I live and DM, most shops won't let their DM/instructors use BP/w or other gear they aren't 'pushing' (whether they carry it or not).

 

[rhwestfall]

Continuing this a little off the initial topic - When I signed up for a rescue class this spring, I discussed with the owner of the shop what the desired gear configuration was. He basically said didn't want anything different from the "norm" they taught (octo on a 40"). Later at the classroom portion, and as it was a different person teaching, I dared to ask the question again as to how they wanted the equipment rigged for the class (I was prepared to use whatever they wanted). When I told him I was diving a BP/W, and a long hose configuration, he quickly said "bring it". He is a caver by hobby, and a tech trainer for the shop, but regrettably that isn't happening much. At the skills portion of the class, he spent a good period of time going over my rig with the class, explaining the benefits, and later on broke out his tech set-up. During the class, the others involved seemed to appreciate this gear configuration.

Yes, it should be included as an option in O/W. If it wasn't for SB, I still likely wouldn't know of it......

now back to your original program.....

 

[wtcreaux]

If it wasn't for SB, I still likely wouldn't know of it..........

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[Hawkwood]

I do the same.

The truth is, though, that although this configuration seems to be growing in popularity, a large number of people, including many instructors, have never seen it. We had a thread a while back in which someone said that he was told as an instructor that he cannot use that configuration because it is a violation of standards. I checked on that, and I learned directly from PADI that for that agency at least, it is not only not a violation, it is very good to do as Hawkwood suggests above and show students all the different possibilities they may encounter and give the pros and cons.

I am very fortunate in that our classrooms and pool are attached to the shop. They usually get a half hour to 45 minute "tour" in the shop where I can show them all the various bits of equipment, exposure suits, etc. They get to see quite a bit of different stuff during that time.

A number of our instructors teach in side-mount when the classes are appropriate. Believe me, they leave aware that the equipment they used in the pool, out in the lake, or they see me or the CAs use, is not the only way out there.

On a typical Saturday out at Minnewanka, they will see doubles, side mounts, rebreathers, DPVs. etc.