I knew the cattle boat would be bad...

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...but I had no idea it would be that bad!

I stayed in Cancun for a fortnight earlier this month. It was a silver wedding anniversary trip with my non-diving wife so I knew I wouldn't get too many dives in, but I wanted to do a few local sites, a cenote, and get over to Cozumel at least once. I tried contacting a few dive ops in advance but got precisely zero replies. In the end I gave up and decided to go with the in-resort option. I knew it wouldn't be the best, and it would cost a bit more, but I told myself it was only a few dives.

Oh dear. If the boat I ended up on in Cozumel was even remotely typical then I'm surprised there isn't an accident or worse every week. There was so much wrong with it that I hardly know where to start, but I'll try to list the main points:


  • No dive briefing worth the name,
  • Virtually no protocols or signals discussed
  • No buddies assigned
  • No weight check. I tried to do one since I was diving in a new sea, with a rental BCD and a lighter tank, and in pounds rather than kilos, and the DM actually shouted at me to stop! (I guess he thought I was trying to descend early?)
  • No surprise - I was 2 or 3 pounds under weighted. Did the DM notice? No, he went haring off with his group of 7 other divers and no idea that he was missing one. I was still by the boat, so got a few extra pounds from one of the crew in a hurry and caught up with the group.
  • After a series of pointless swim throughs where the only thing to see was the silt kicked up by the guy in front I swam above rather than through - much prettier - following the bubbles easily visible through the porous rock. Once again, the DM had no idea he was "missing" a diver.
  • After less than 30 minutes someone ran out of air and was told to ascend, which they duly did - solo, too fast, and without a safety stop.
  • When the next diver ran low 10 minutes later the whole dive was called. No safety stop allowed for, although a few of us hung back at 5m for as long as we could.
  • Back on the boat, and a roll call was conspicuous by its absence.
  • Surface interval? Less than 20 minutes! But at least it gave me a chance to buddy up with a Canadian woman who looked like she knew what she was doing. I'd have been sorely tempted to sit out the next dive otherwise, although after the 7 hour bus, ferry, and boat trip to get there I'd probably still have done the second, shallower dive anyway. (At least I knew I was correctly weighted for that one!)
  • There was then a real rush to kit up and get back in the water with virtually no warning, the DM shouting at people who had had the temerity to go upstairs and all but pushing them into the water while they were still buckling up. If someone's air had been off they'd have found out the hard way.
  • After all that the second dive was actually a bit better. But add in some diabolically bad yo-yo divers with gauges trailing, no computers, and a propensity to grab onto coral and turn over rocks so they could stick their GoPro under them, and the horror was complete.
  • The best bit, though, was the long and heartfelt speech at the end about how hard they'd worked for us, and how much they deserved a generous tip. Frankly, I'd rather have just thrown my money overboard.

On a positive note let me close by saying that, despite the experience of the cattle boat, the actual dive sites were totally awesome and I enjoyed my all too brief time on the Island itself. I can't wait to get back at some point with my daughter and actually stay on the Island and do it all properly.
 
Oh my...well if you had fallen off a cruise ship you would have had the full "pod people experience." :D I'm glad you're safe and I hope you get a chance to make it back soon. I can hardly wait for the Invasion. I hear there are a couple of openings...come join us.:)
 
My one and only experience diving from a cattle boat was not nearly as bad as yours, though it wasn't that great, either. I feel your pain.

Go back and do it right. :D
 
For the most part, that sounds like the worst of the worst, even for the large boat ops.

Was the name of the op Sand something? Peso, Euro, Pound...?
 
...but I had no idea it would be that bad!

I stayed in Cancun for a fortnight earlier this month. It was a silver wedding anniversary trip with my non-diving wife so I knew I wouldn't get too many dives in, but I wanted to do a few local sites, a cenote, and get over to Cozumel at least once. I tried contacting a few dive ops in advance but got precisely zero replies. In the end I gave up and decided to go with the in-resort option. I knew it wouldn't be the best, and it would cost a bit more, but I told myself it was only a few dives.

Oh dear. If the boat I ended up on in Cozumel was even remotely typical then I'm surprised there isn't an accident or worse every week. There was so much wrong with it that I hardly know where to start, but I'll try to list the main points:


  • No dive briefing worth the name,
  • Virtually no protocols or signals discussed
  • No buddies assigned
  • No weight check. I tried to do one since I was diving in a new sea, with a rental BCD and a lighter tank, and in pounds rather than kilos, and the DM actually shouted at me to stop! (I guess he thought I was trying to descend early?)
  • No surprise - I was 2 or 3 pounds under weighted. Did the DM notice? No, he went haring off with his group of 7 other divers and no idea that he was missing one. I was still by the boat, so got a few extra pounds from one of the crew in a hurry and caught up with the group.
  • After a series of pointless swim throughs where the only thing to see was the silt kicked up by the guy in front I swam above rather than through - much prettier - following the bubbles easily visible through the porous rock. Once again, the DM had no idea he was "missing" a diver.
  • After less than 30 minutes someone ran out of air and was told to ascend, which they duly did - solo, too fast, and without a safety stop.
  • When the next diver ran low 10 minutes later the whole dive was called. No safety stop allowed for, although a few of us hung back at 5m for as long as we could.
  • Back on the boat, and a roll call was conspicuous by its absence.
  • Surface interval? Less than 20 minutes! But at least it gave me a chance to buddy up with a Canadian woman who looked like she knew what she was doing. I'd have been sorely tempted to sit out the next dive otherwise, although after the 7 hour bus, ferry, and boat trip to get there I'd probably still have done the second, shallower dive anyway. (At least I knew I was correctly weighted for that one!)
  • There was then a real rush to kit up and get back in the water with virtually no warning, the DM shouting at people who had had the temerity to go upstairs and all but pushing them into the water while they were still buckling up. If someone's air had been off they'd have found out the hard way.
  • After all that the second dive was actually a bit better. But add in some diabolically bad yo-yo divers with gauges trailing, no computers, and a propensity to grab onto coral and turn over rocks so they could stick their GoPro under them, and the horror was complete.
  • The best bit, though, was the long and heartfelt speech at the end about how hard they'd worked for us, and how much they deserved a generous tip. Frankly, I'd rather have just thrown my money overboard.

On a positive note let me close by saying that, despite the experience of the cattle boat, the actual dive sites were totally awesome and I enjoyed my all too brief time on the Island itself. I can't wait to get back at some point with my daughter and actually stay on the Island and do it all properly.

Please name the operator so that I may avoid them. Thanks.
 
Oh dear. For the record, I wasn't the Canadian on the boat! You really need to give it another whirl. I routinely get 90 minutes with the op I dive with. Small and personalized. But we leave very early In the a.m.
 
Sorry you didn't ask us for help getting your emails answered and you booked elsewhere.
Please name the operator so that I may avoid them. Thanks.
Don't be shy. I named my bad Belize op clearly with my report once. Even if you exaggerated some, this is horrible. Certified divers are expected to know how to dive, but this was too much.
 
Please name the operator so that I may avoid them. Thanks.

For the most part, that sounds like the worst of the worst, even for the large boat ops.

Was the name of the op Sand something? Peso, Euro, Pound...?

Sorry you didn't ask us for help getting your emails answered and you booked elsewhere.

Don't be shy. I named my bad Belize op clearly with my report once. Even if you exaggerated some, this is horrible. Certified divers are expected to know how to dive, but this was too much.

No, not "sand" anything. (Did I dodge an even bigger bullet there?) And I don't think I'm exaggerating much - I deliberately waited a few weeks before posting to avoid a kneejerk response.

The op was Aquaworld, booked through an in-resort "rep" doing try dives in the pool, that sort of thing. They actually looked like a big, well-organised, albeit a conveyor belt sort of setup, covering diving, snorkelling, fishing, watersports etc. and I'm quite willing to believe I just caught them on a very bad day. I'm heartened by everyone's positive responses about how atypical this is, and I have every intention of getting back to Cozumel just as soon as I can. Thanks, all.

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Oh dear. For the record, I wasn't the Canadian on the boat! You really need to give it another whirl. I routinely get 90 minutes with the op I dive with. Small and personalized. But we leave very early In the a.m.

As a side note, I asked every English-speaking person I met on my various travels (almost all Americans of course ;-) whether they were on Scubaboard. From newly qualified divers, to a cave instructor I met on the PDC ferry, the unanimous reply was, "What's Scubaboard?"
 
I was in cancun for a few days prior to a conference. I did some dives with a small op manta divers that were enjoyable. I also went out one afternoon with aquaworld in cancun. It was not as bad as what you had but I would not have gone out with them again.

I think the term cattle boat does not refer to the size of the boat or the number of the divers but rather the way the boat is run AND the type of divers on the boat. I have done a number of dives with 12-20 divers on the that were quite professional and not rushed. But they were usually not DM group lead dives
 
Scubaboard is the biggest scuba member site in the world but I guess most divers don't participate in such sites? :idk: Many of the more active divers tend to gravitate to their special sites if they do, like the Cavediver site, Rebreather site, etc. We have forums for them here, but many of those don't come here - so their friends never hear about us. I used to take SB stickers on trips and stick them on boats, but I got lazy. :shakehead:

Ok, Aquaworld may be the worst on the island. Their name hardly ever comes up here, and I I've never been out with them, but all I have seen here was bad - I think. Yeah, I just did a :search: on the 10 or 12 most recent threads mentioning them, which seems to have gone back 3 years if I did that right, and I see from the results that you must not have. They're mentioned a few times for other reasons, like owning a dock or being a house op that rents tanks, but as far as quality goes...
NO. It's Aquaworld. You'll have a hard time finding good (& believable) reviews on them.
Do NOT dive with Aquaworld, the shop at the Park Royal. Others have given you great suggestions on who to dive with in the above posts.
I stay at the PR every year, been going there since 1997. Missed a few in the early 2000s but have been there the last 3 years in a row.

1) DO NOT USE AQUAWORLD (onsite dive op). Terrible OP! Cattle boats, large groups, poor DM's, very unsafe practices. I listen to story's in the pool all the time about people experience with them. Have heard 2 first hand near death experiences from the near death facee. DO NOT USE!!!!
 
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