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José Teles Reis

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How many dives did u guys have before initiating your Advanced Open Water Course, Rescue Diver Course and Divemaster?

I have been diving since April 2016 and currently I have about 20 dives and i feel confident and positive about my skills as an Open Water Diver.

I'm considering taking all the courses above before September 2017.. Because it is when i finish my degree and I don't know if I will have time for these courses during my masters... but I don't want to rush it too..!

Wanted to hear the opinion of experienced divers who have been through this path :) please be gentle but honest haha
 
A good rule of thumb at that level is that when you feel comfortable diving within the limits of your current training, then it's time to take that next class. It's always a good idea to get comfortable with what you learned in the last one before signing up for the next one ... that way you'll have the mental and physical bandwidth to concentrate on the new stuff.

When I was teaching, I generally asked my students to log about 20 dives between OW and AOW. Everyone's different, and some entered the class with fewer ... or more ... but I would not accept a student straight out of their OW class. A lot of instructors disagree with me ... but they don't teach the AOW class I did, which included quite a bit of classwork, skills practice, and no "elective" dives.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
A good rule of thumb at that level is that when you feel comfortable diving within the limits of your current training, then it's time to take that next class. It's always a good idea to get comfortable with what you learned in the last one before signing up for the next one ... that way you'll have the mental and physical bandwidth to concentrate on the new stuff.
^^ This
 
A good rule of thumb at that level is that when you feel comfortable diving within the limits of your current training, then it's time to take that next class. It's always a good idea to get comfortable with what you learned in the last one before signing up for the next one ... that way you'll have the mental and physical bandwidth to concentrate on the new stuff.

When I was teaching, I generally asked my students to log about 20 dives between OW and AOW. Everyone's different, and some entered the class with fewer ... or more ... but I would not accept a student straight out of their OW class. A lot of instructors disagree with me ... but they don't teach the AOW class I did, which included quite a bit of classwork, skills practice, and no "elective" dives.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
Amazing answer ! it is true that one should feel confortable within its limits of training! wise!
Still im curious about your route as a diver :)
 
A good rule of thumb at that level is that when you feel comfortable diving within the limits of your current training, then it's time to take that next class. It's always a good idea to get comfortable with what you learned in the last one before signing up for the next one ... that way you'll have the mental and physical bandwidth to concentrate on the new stuff.

When I was teaching, I generally asked my students to log about 20 dives between OW and AOW. Everyone's different, and some entered the class with fewer ... or more ... but I would not accept a student straight out of their OW class. A lot of instructors disagree with me ... but they don't teach the AOW class I did, which included quite a bit of classwork, skills practice, and no "elective" dives.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

I am on the other end of the spectrum, I believe that you should take the "primary" courses as soon as you can, for example:

Advanced Diver right after the entry level course (Scuba Diver) because:

1. The Advanced Course should condense a dive season's worth of diving into one course. You get to do the diving and skills under the direct supervision of a professional mentor/instructor in much safer circumstances than you learning or doing these skills on your own with a dive buddy who doesn't have the experience or the training to guide you in your learning journey where you may or may not do things right and would be costly if you do it wrong.

2. Avoid picking up bad/unsafe habits or knowledge on the way. Your safest bet is the instructor who is trained and follows a curriculum set by an agency that specializes in delivering knowledge and skills that are safer and appropriate for the diver. Entry level certified students do not have the necessary background or depth of knowledge to judge on what is appropriate skill or procedures on their own especially when they just got certified. The advanced course under the supervision of the instructor must be designed to help the students know their limits with a more realistic scale.

The advanced course I teach includes about 16 hours of classroom time, 10 dives in different conditions including rescue skills, night diving, navigation, buoyancy control enhancement, equipment drills, boat diving, wreck diving, deeper diving, S&R, Environmental orientation, equipment preventive maintenance, etc. with heavy emphasis on proper buoyancy, dive planning, navigation and evaluation and recognition of one's own physical and mental limitations .

First Aid/CPR/Rescue course should follow promptly after the advanced also. Nitrox is either combined with the advanced or should be done on the first opportunity after entry level certification (our dive profile where I am now is most suitable for nitrox).

Other courses I recommend students complete within the first year to two years after certification since they will be needed due to the diving profile in Libya are: Wreck and Deep Diving. My students get 6 - 8 dives per course in these two specialties.
 
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How many dives did u guys have before initiating your Advanced Open Water Course, Rescue Diver Course and Divemaster?

I have been diving since April 2016 and currently I have about 20 dives and i feel confident and positive about my skills as an Open Water Diver.

I'm considering taking all the courses above before September 2017.. Because it is when i finish my degree and I don't know if I will have time for these courses during my masters... but I don't want to rush it too..!

Wanted to hear the opinion of experienced divers who have been through this path :) please be gentle but honest haha

I'm an outlier. I generally wanted to be at the point where I had nothing more to learn before taking the next step. I did take advanced a year after my OW and rescue that same year, but then I took rescue again many years later before taking my DM. I think I had about 1000 dives when I took DM. Part of the reason I waited so long was because early on I didn't have the connections to start working as a DM after I had the certification but a large part of the reason was because I felt for myself, this is the level of experience I needed in order to feel comfortable in the role.

After taking DM I worked as a DM assisting in large part with the OW course and a lot of intros for years while I started taking technical specialties. Again I built up experience as a technical diver kind of slowly. At one point the joke at the club was that I had more experience as a diver than all of the instructors combined. At the time I was one of the few people working there who was technically certified. In fact, I worked so long as a DM that one of my technical instructors was a former student. At that point I started feeling like I was standing still.

Eventually I decided to become an instructor and I did this for two reasons. First and foremost because the shop offered to pay for it, which was incredible generous and there was no way I could say no to that. The other reason was that in the time I worked as a DM I had started to build a real vision of how the OW course should be given and it was different than how I saw my colleagues doing it. However, I needed to have my hands on the wheel if I wanted to see my vision become a reality so this was the final motivation. I do now actually give OW how I think it should be done but as you can imagine in my case, it took a lot of iterations and experimentation to refine the way I do things to the point where I was happy with it.

Obviously there are still things about diving I wouldn't feel comfortable doing. For example, even though I'm an avid wreck diver and I have an ice diving certification diving in a cave, besides seeming somewhat pointless to me, is something that I don't think I'll ever get around to doing. I've been in a few (dry) caves and in one case on an extended tour of 6 hours in a cave system (again dry) with all kinds restrictions and such and even though I found it "cool", I just don't think that squeezing my butt through a little hole on scuba is something I would get much joy from. I'd rather spend that time and the money involved in travelling to interesting far away places in the tropics, but I digress.

Aside from travel, I don't really have any goals for diving per se but the last couple of years I've been taking some courses to be the "student" again. This just re-energizes me and keeps me from becoming too paradigm trapped to be an effective instructor. I guess you can see it as "sharpening the saw".

I suspect that my experience is not typical. There must be other slow-poke learners around but I guess that most divers progress a lot faster than I did.

R..
 
I have a very similar philosophy and view point on DM/instructor as Rotuner. I would forget the DM course, it wouldn't be beneficial this early in your diving.

As for the other courses, I think you received good answers. AOW can be done straight out of OW. A lot of it comes down to the instructor/shop teaching the course, but it has a big Catch-22; AOW provides a ton of good knowledge on a student and gives them experience, but they need experience too get the most out of AOW. I think somewhere in the 12-24 dive range would be ideal; it's just enough to work out beginner buoyancy and have some real world experience so that the AOW doesn't become OW Part 2 One possible suggestion is taking a nitrox course before so that you could get a better idea of the physics and math components while also expanding your scuba background.

Every class in beginner scuba is a learner's permit. It's there too expand your background and teach you techniques, but only with practice and use do you truly become proficient.
 
i consider asap education through the Rescue class as the Learner's Permit, because really, even on your first dive you could be faced with an emergency. It won't matter how few dives you have had if your buddy is panicking and trying to climb you like a stripper pole.
As you get more experienced, repeat the check out dive exercises to keep updated.
 
I took AOW right after OW. They really should be combined into one course IMO. But then not as many people would qualify for certification and that means less $$$ for the dive industry.
 

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