Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.
Benefits of registering include
Yes, I reject the male model in that I reject being "pigeon holed" (your phrase) into a man's perspective of what equality means. And part of this is a result of the feminist movement and their tendency to want to be treated like a man in order to feel equal. That is not me. I will never be the equal to a man in a male dominated society. Historically we have failed to value the skills and roles of women. That was the problem. And the fact that women were "pigeon holed" into these roles.
The solution is not to make women like men for us to be equal but to value the skills and contributions of women. And yes there are differences but there is also a lot of common ground where even now things are not equal. Pay inequality is the best example I can think of at the moment.
Hi Richard. Again please bear with me because I am not very good at selecting words to express concepts and I am on vacation and honestly focused more on good eats and diving.There's a lot bundled into this, and I'd like to unpack it a bit. Just what 'skills and roles of women' are, for one. Modern political correctness often allows to praise of what are perceived to be feminine strengths - compassion, nurturance, empathy and collaboration. Yet if you talk up 'male' attributes in a positive way, you can come off as sexist. After all, are you implying women can't do those things?
Richard. I am surprised and I think I must be misreading. "Much of the money men earn is for their families, not merely self-indulgence"? What decade are you living in? Even I as a "mature" female missed that boat. Twice I put my goals on hold to support husbands as they sought college degrees then after the divorce had to but myself through collage for my degrees. I have no children and can not remember the last day I missed work for family or as a sick day for that matter. Even in my current relationship I pay exactly half the bills. Show me where any of my income through any of my adult years has been self-indulgent. So how would you justify not giving equal pay for equal work in my case?The pay inequality is interesting, at least amongst Physicians, where I hear of it the most. While it's mentioned in reports, what isn't trumpeted so loudly is men average more hours on the job, people who dedicate more of their lives to work are probably more likely to get promoted. Such reports don't tend to compare free time, time with family, attendance rate at family events and so on, or consider that women spend a majority of the money in society, and much of the money those men earn is for their families, not merely self-indulgence. My point is success in life is portrayed as though measured by money, status and hierarchical power, traditional male metrics, yet how many people are concerned about women being pigeon-holed into their success being defined by a male-based model?
Guys have long know that you don't get what you deserve but what you negotiate. The ongoing fight for a better salary is a separate job from whatever career we chose. Fight on sister!So how would you justify not giving equal pay for equal work in my case?
You are exactly right. I was not taught this skill but after my first meeting to discuss a pay raise I caught on pretty quickly.Guys have long know that you don't get what you deserve but what you negotiate. The ongoing fight for a better salary is a separate job from whatever career we chose. Fight on sister!
Well I PM'd NetDoc requesting a Men's Forum be added but he resists my persuasive and ingratiating pleas. He probably suspects me of plotting to post blush worthy men's topics. #thwarted.
Richard. I am surprised and I think I must be misreading. "Much of the money men earn is for their families, not merely self-indulgence"? What decade are you living in?
Twice I put my goals on hold to support husbands as they sought college degrees then after the divorce had to but myself through collage for my degrees. I have no children and can not remember the last day I missed work for family or as a sick day for that matter. Even in my current relationship I pay exactly half the bills. Show me where any of my income through any of my adult years has been self-indulgent.
So how would you justify not giving equal pay for equal work in my case?