Question for PADI Divemasters and Instructors

[sunnyboy]

160 mph is 258 km/h. Besides that fact that most production cars don't go that fast ou do not drive windows down music blaring at those speeds. If you are talking 160 km/h that is a different story .....

The company I was working for went to Hanover Germany in 1993 as a vendor at CEBIT. Another division was exhibiting a couple of hundred KM away in Frankfurt at Musikmesse. On the weekend we rented an Opal and drove the Autobahn. The car topped out at 195KM/hr and factory Mercedes and Porches were blowing our doors off as they passed. 300km/hr is not unheard of in the fast lane there.

 

[TMHeimer]

Are we off topic? Montana had a speed limit of
"Reasonable and Prudent" during the day and 75 mph at night--back in 1998. Somebody screwed it up so 75 now. Then again, you can go 120 kmh in the right lane on the 401 near Toronto and see cops and others easily pass you......

 

[stuartv]

Are we off topic? Montana had a speed limit of
"Reasonable and Prudent" during the day and 75 mph at night--back in 1998. Somebody screwed it up so 75 now. Then again, you can go 120 kmh in the right lane on the 401 near Toronto and see cops and others easily pass you......

I rode all through Montana in June of 1998 on my motorcycle. Cruised long stretches at 160mph. Was clocked at 105 on the Interstate, pulled, and given a ticket. State trooper said it was imprudent to be going that fast, even though it was a clear, sunny day with almost no traffic on the road. Had to pay $70 on the spot or wait in a jail cell until court on Monday.

A few months later the Montana state Supreme Court threw out Reasonable and Prudent as unconstitutionally vague. A guy that was a licensed race car driver had been ticketed similarly to me and he fought it and won. The court said a reasonable person could not contemplate an action in advance and determine if the action was legal or not. So the law had to go.

It was fun while it lasted!

 

[lermontov]

?? I've scrolled through 13 pages to find @CharlieRogers video?? what happened??

 

[TMHeimer]

Stuart, Thanks for the truth about the Montana thing. I always wondered about that. We were down there a time or two when living in Manitoba. Hard to believe any state would introduce the law in the first place--no real ticket revenue.

 

[boulderjohn]

A friend of mine sold sporting goods to buyers in sporting goods stores, and he had a route that took him through Montana, traveling in a van full of samples. If you are old enough, you will recall the time that we had a foolish 55 mph national speed limit states were required to enforce. Montana had two speed limits--the 55 mph national limit, for which there was a minimal fee payable to the "arresting officer," and the real one they had had before. My friend was going at a very high rate of speed that I don't recall, and he got pulled over for violating the 55 mph limit. The officer explained the difference as my friend paid the fine. My friend asked what the real was. The officer looked at the van and said "Travelling in this? Don't worry about it."

 

[boulderjohn]

Hard to believe any state would introduce the law in the first place--no real ticket revenue.

In one of the few columns he wrote with which I agree, George Will wrote a couple of years ago that the purpose of laws and law enforcement is to protect the public safety--not to generate revenue for the government. Many traffic laws and enforcement policies violate that principle, and they should be eliminated. For example, under Colorado state law, it is a violation to have anything that can obstruct the view through either the windshield or back window. That includes any decal, like the one advertising your child's college, or the box of tissue on the back window ledge, or the transponder you are required to have mounted on the windshield to use certain toll roads or express lanes. According to a local TV news report, there is an independent municipality that is one square mile in size in the Denver metropolitan area that employs a huge police force that provides the city with most of its operating revenue by charging non-residents with obstructed viewing as they pass through.

Some states actually have laws limiting the amount of revenue municipalities can generate through things like speeding tickets because of the many abuses like this found around the country. If you look at the results of the investigation into the conflicts in Ferguson, Missouri after the shooting there, you will see that was one of the findings. The city was generating tons of revenue by soaking the local population (mostly the local black population) with silly traffic fines.

 

[TMHeimer]

John, It's easy to believe all of that. Interesting that you can tow some kinds of trailers (like those for horses,etc.) which completely block your rear view mirror. I just bought an old camper to pull to NY next month. If you look real hard you can see out your car back window and then a tiny bit out the trailer back window. Yet a college sticker on a car can be illegal. I was stopped circa 1973 in the family van which was covered with stickers. Cop said it wasn't that they were on windows (there weren't)--just that "you can't have that many stickers". He probably suspected drugs. Laws and their enforcement can be really strange at times. I got a warning in Mass. 2 years ago--he said "Speed limits are strict and EXACT in Mass."--I should've said "what planet are you living on"?

 

[CaveDiverJD]

There's 13 pages of responses so I hope you got the answers you needed. I am a PADI Course Director so if you have additional questions, don't hesitate to contact me.

 

[wetb4igetinthewater]

?? I've scrolled through 13 pages to find @CharlieRogers video?? what happened??

@CharlieRogers . I'm dying to to see this video. I'm sure the OP, @tbeck3579, is waiting anxiously as well.

Come on! Why the suspense?!?!?!? If you by chance you have forgotten, you said

Oh dear...

For those who don't know better... The instructor looks like **** in that video.

Out of trim. Starts blowing bubbles then stops... Looks like he touches the bottom.

Please please don't aspire to look like that idiot.

Now is the video perfect? No, but neither are the videos on divegue.tv. I hope you don't think those guys look like **** (not 100% sure what word is ****, but I think I have an idea: not something I'd want to step in) but it is pretty darn good and I commend UDC for putting it together and publishing for the benefit of the dive industry. That is the direction open water needs to go. No more training on the knees at all, as not only is doing so not necessary, but it is detrimental to students' progression to proper trim and control.

You promised, so let's see it!!!!!

I asked for a hover in trim, motionless, NO sculling allowed with hands or FEET. I'm waiting......