Aldora Divers Review: Two Tank Solo New Diver Experience Coming off a Cruise Ship

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I think I am confused along with Bubblesong. Did you book this as two separate groups that would be diving separately?

I once inquired with a Coz dive op--not Aldora--about a booking involving two couples, one experienced and the other inexperienced, with the idea that both couples would not necessarily be on the same boat or at least not accompanied by the same DM, so that the less experienced couple would not limit the more experienced couple. The dive op's reply was clear that my booking would be for a single group of four, on the same boat, and that the less experienced couple could very well limit the more experienced couple. Kudos to the dive op for making that clear to me. At that point I suppose could have insisted on two separate bookings, perhaps paid for separately, etc. But the point is, the dive op was very clear in their reply what the structure of the booking would be.

For a shop that runs numerous boats a day - that's easy to split up if that was the request. For a shop that only runs 1 or 2 boats - that isn't always possible from a logistics standpoint. If a fleet of boats is available then that is no problem.

It's funny to me that some think it's as simple as grouping same level experienced divers together. Depending on who is booked on any given day, singles, couples, groups of 3 or 4 or 5 - has a lot to do with how the boats are split up.

Example Scenario: I have 6 spaces available on each boat. I have 12 divers booked over the course of the same week.
a group of 5 (who books for 5 days),
a group of 4 (who books for 3 days),
a couple who books for 7 days,
and a single diver (who books for 8 days).

The group of 5 does not want to be split up. - that means that no matter what, these 5 divers are going to be on one boat for 5 days leaving 1 open spot - guess who goes in that spot - the single diver for those 5 days.

The couple and the group of 4 will be on the same boat for 3 days. Then after those 3 days, I'll probably move that single diver over to the boat with the couple to even things out a little - unless the group of 5 and the single diver have bonded - or unless I have new arrivals coming in to fill those spots.

And this goes on and on - scheduling the dive boats is more logistics than anything else and it changes from day to day - and often several times in the days before the actual dive day. When we can put you together with divers who meet your perceived experience qualifications - we will do our best. If you are traveling with others (especially YOUR dive buddy) who is less experienced, we will happily put you on seperate boats upon request IF spaces are available for a couple on the other boat.

When we DO have to mix experience levels on the boat, it's rarely for everyday of the trip and I cannot think of a single example in 16 years of being in business that divers of differing experience levels have held each other back or affected each others dives. We have solutions for those times when we have to mix novice divers with super diver ego's. Those who dive with us know that often we have a second DM on the boat for exactly that reason - yes, of course the person requiring the extra DM has to cover that expense - but that solution is there for this very reason. It's also my experience that very very rarely are the experience levels indicative of how well of a match they will be with other divers on the boat to the point of wrecking someone else's dive. If someone has 40 dives in 2 years and you have 100 in 5 years - sorry, you're realistically at the same level.

Unless we're doing a super advanced dive (which we would only plan with those Pedro or Martin approved) - it's out experience that most divers have a very inflated perception of how exceptionally better than every other diver they are. When you're booking a dive charter expectations have to be realistic - if you want extra special accommodations or exceptions above our already excellent service and dive management just the two of you, then we also offer private charters that will give you exactly that.

But people, this is what we do everyday. This is not a hobby for us and we are not weekend warriors working in a land locked dive shop teaching SCUBA in a pool or at a quarry on weekends. This is what we do every single day all day long, 363 days a year. We have non-invasive solutions and 99.9% of the time - we DO KNOW BETTER than you - the leisure diver - regardless of how frequent you dive here) how to run the boats.

My suggestion to all vacation divers - relax, clearly communicate your requests/goals/wishes. etc anjoy your vacation and leave the rest to us - please don't try to micro-manage us. When I hire a professional to do something for me it's because that's their specialty - their thing - they know what they are doing - I don't try to do the job I am paying them to do.

With that said - I clearly understand the OP's request and here is my summary and take away from reading this.

1. The OP (a HUMAN) wanted a 2 tank dive for 1 person WITH a private DM that was booked 6 months in advance and confirmed several times before arrival.

2. Then 3 months later (still 3 months from travel date), a travel companion decided she wanted to try SCUBA - so they made a confirmed reservation for the Discover SCUBA class - which goes without saying is completely separate, NOT done on the boat and done with an Instructor, not a DM. This was also confirmed several times prior to arrival.

3. Somewhere along the way, Aldora office staff dropped the ball and didn't get them on the schedule (HUMANS) - and yes, when they arrived, the Dive crew was surprised because the reservations department hadn't put them on the schedule. (HUMANS)

4. Aldora staff scrambled and got the certified diver on the boat (sans private DM) and got the Discover student out with an Instructor - staff did a GREAT job of fixing the situation to the best of their ability on the spot. (HUMANS)

5. Diver gets back home, reaches out privately to dive op - waits a reasonable amount of time with no response and understandable writes about the experience - very balanced - but not 5 star and glowing. The OP mentions all of the great things, but also shares a real experience and a real disappointment - legitimate too!

6. Owner of shop (a HUMAN) is having a ****** day for whatever reason - should probably stay off SB but doesn't (I do when I'm having a ****** day because it always bites me when I don't) - and responds inappropriately out of frustration. Yep, better choices could have been made - but like most other HUMANS, we screw up and make bad choices - this was one of those times for Dave (a HUMAN). And THIS is where things changed for the OP (another HUMAN) - it was in the way the owner (HUMAN) handled it.

7. Many (HUMANS) come to Dave's defense and the OP agrees that we all have bad days, still singing Aldora praises in other areas - things seem to be getting better.

8. Then BAM - Dave (the HUMAN) comes in with another inappropriate response - clearly triggered by the situation.

9. Now HUMANS have made this into a 9 page thread!

10. This would never have escalated to this point if the #1 rule of HUMANITY would have been practiced - that is HUMILITY. "I am so sorry your experience wasn't what you had hoped for, we dropped the ball, what can we do to make it right for you?" PERIOD

While I have LOTS of empathy for BOTH sides, I think the OP's review was fair, honest and understandable. Sorry Dave, this wasn't your best moment - and I get it, I've had plenty of these myself (also a HUMAN).
 
Who knew that a review could be so dramatic?
I've never dove with Dave or Aldora Divers. Was going to, but I got sick and missed most of the entire week of diving on that trip.

I also am confused by the actual details of your review. You didn't bring up the try diver in your first post and that changes things dramatically. So, it would appear that you made a request (order) and then added a resort diver a few weeks out. If you were just as unclear in your correspondence with Aldora as you were in your OP, then it's no wonder you didn't get what you wanted. As a rather new diver, and I've never heard a diver with only 40+ dives brag about being overly experienced, You probably didn't realize that when you book a buddy, you're stuck with that buddy on the boat. I've led more than my share of these kinds of dives and you're being unreasonable in your request. Logistics is everything on a boat. When you change things, you need to accept the fluidity caused by the change. On a dive day, you need to be even more flexible. Events outside of the DiveOp's control happen, such as a sick DM or two. Did you want Dave to deny the third wheel from diving? I certainly wouldn't. As for the Splendid Toadfish, I'm sure if there was one to be found, the DM would have excitedly pointed it out. They're not seen on every dive, every other dive or even every tenth dive. I've been to Coz four weeks and have seen only three. It's not a given. Hell, I flew to the Philippines for two weeks hoping to see a Blue Ring Octopus and was denied! I guess I have to go back. Maybe they'll have them in Fiji when I go next year? I'm certainly not going to blame the DiveOp for not seeing one.

So, there was indeed more to the story than your OP suggested and it's no wonder that Dave was clearly PO'ed that you did not convey everything. I would be too. I bet that he stopped exchanging emails with you out of frustration too. No, I don't expect you to understand the nuances here. Again, you're a fairly new diver and you don't seem to be willing to consider the welfare of the entire boat. I'm pretty confident that Dave did his level best to accommodate EVERYONE on the boat, including you. I'm also pretty confident that you can't see that he did his best. Glad you had a great time and, more importantly, a safe dive. Maybe next time you'll get to see Mr Splendid Toad Fish. Go at night sometime and you might get to see one swimming free in the open. Learn to be more flexible and your diving will be more fun.

Just my take.
 
I have very nearly bit my tongue into so...

1) The op posted an overall positive review.

2) There were two issues presented by the op.

3) The op was blasted by the dive op and now apparantly that op will no longer take cruisers.

My take. Dave should have graciously thanked the op for the positive comments and promised to investigate the concerns and only then post an explanation for the op’s concerns. This is what I would have looked for as a reviewer and on the research end for a trip.

And FWIW, I look for reviews and trip reports that include both the positive AND the negative (from their pov). To me this marks a more reliable and well thought out post and gives me more confidence in their opinion. Any review that is all glowing I pretty much throw out as unreliable.
 
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Fair enough.
 
. . . You probably didn't realize that when you book a buddy, you're stuck with that buddy on the boat. . .

If I understood correctly, there was no buddy booked. The OP booked her diving, including a private guide, and independently of her booking also booked a Discover Scuba dive for someone else. If I understood correctly, the Discover Scuba student was not on the OP's boat. The OP said that the Discover Scuba student "went off with her instructor at a different time and finished at a different time and a different location."
 
@The Chairman , did you read all the posts? You’re usually pretty reasonable but it’s either you didn’t read the posts or there’s definitely something else going on.
I did. You're not the only one who's asked either. I have three via PMs asking me this and one was the OP.

I'm giving the perspective of an industry professional. Dive shops have limited resources. They always have and they always will. In addition, no matter how well you schedule things, the caca will eventually hit the fan. DMs and instructors get sick, bent and suffer barotraumas leaving little time to scare another one up. It's financially impossible to keep enough staff on the payroll to accommodate every contingency. Sometimes, there's just not enough room on the boat to accommodate all the requests. The owner and/or captain has to make a decision that will accommodate as many people as possible. Will every request, even 6-month-old requests be honored? Only if the resources allow it.

Discover Scuba experiences change everything. I truly wish they would discontinue them. personally, I won't do them anymore. I don't begrudge others who do, but I find that they put noobs in jeopardy and often ruin the dive for the experienced divers who want to be a part of the experience. That's the thing I guess I really don't understand. If you set up a Discover Scuba and are going diving, most (all?) shops will assume you want to be a part of that. Wanting a DM in addition to that is confusing.

Indeed, I see all sides of this situation. I understand both Dave's and the OP's frustrations. There's no magic wand. Y'all are free to disagree with my conclusions. My feelings won't be hurt. But truly, if you haven't dove a mile in an instructor's fins, you won't understand these issues. Can I explain them? Sure. Come take an instructor's course with me, and you'll learn all about how to safely handle students and not expose yourself to undue liabilities. I've got another course starting the day you arrive here in O'Brien Fl. :D I'll be gentle. I promise.
 
If I understood correctly,
The whole thing has been pretty convoluted. Again, it's all about what resources are available at the time of the dive. My favorite beer is Amstel Bright. You can only get it in the Netherland Antilles. The resort I was at in Bonaire ran out. Man! I went to buy some from the local mart, but they were out too. Seems some American a-hole drank it all. Dang me all to bits! I wanted to bring a six pack home for a friend too. Disappointing? Indeed. By some freak of nature, we ran out of that resource. Like the OP I still had loads of fun. All I can say is that Wet Wendys better not run out of Cucumber Jalapeno Margaritas when I get to Coz for the invasion! :D :D :D
 

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