Long-hose in the time of COVID-19

[NAM001]

This policy change begs the question: Does the long hose have to be so long if one is in OW? Perhaps 40" long to cut risk of entanglement?

I like them to be a distance from me until they settle down. try having them take your secondary primary reg on the necklace. you have no legnth to work with. I have the same problem with those that have the short hose backup snapped across their chest, as they are panicing to get it you get tangled up with them and the problem compounds. even the back up reg is on too short of hose to donate in a real panic situation from where it is stowed. Then ask them to give it up while you unwrap it from around you arm to get more legnth... good luck.

 

[tursiops]

Then ask them to give it up while you unwrap it from around you arm to get more legnth... good luck.

How does it get wrapped around your arm?

 

[NAM001]

How does it get wrapped around your arm?

for those that route it behind the arm and under the armpit to tie it off at the chest.

 

[ls23]

They are not re-inventing protocols or changing standards like some of you in this thread make it out to be. It's just one of three options they give during this temporary situation. Everyone in my team, and as a matter of fact every GUE diver I know, is still going with option 3... just diving on your longhose as usual and accepting that there might be a risk of infection in a very unlikely OOA-situation.

 

[Umuntu]

I dont think anyone will take the time to look for the location of the dionating regulator. they will go for the one being breathed on.

What is your evidence for this assertion ?

 

[formernuke]

What is your evidence for this assertion ?

Didn't happen to me but I've seen it.

 

[Umuntu]

Didn't happen to me but I've seen it.

Just hearsay then.

 

[NAM001]

What is your evidence for this assertion ?

IT WAS TAUGHT IN A CLASS I SAT IN ON BECAUSE oops caps,,, because you don't know where the back up is on all divers or if you can get it released from its holder or other things in top of hte hose. They are told by many they were taught the only source of air available is in the mouth of your buddy and inteh dark you can not see to find the backup or that the diver is prepared to give up the one they are breathing on. I have also had people ask me for air with their hand on my primary. I think this is a 50/50 thing strongly dependant on how they were taught. Many I talk to about this do not trust the back up to not being tangled and unusable. Unlike tech gear checkouts once in the water most all I know do not do that. I do run the drill with those I dive with to practice and underwater checkout for leaks and accessability to the buddies air. Then again most I dive with are diving to practice those specific things. Im going out thursday to do just that for another diver that just wants to experience such issues and how to work around problems.

 

[rddvet]

Just hearsay then.

I don't know of any "documentation" but it's pretty well known an OOG diver very commonly goes for the reg they see in your mouth. Even if you have a perfectly good one held out towards them for donation. I was taught in all of my technical classes (when we discussed OOG long hose donation) to be sure to gain control of the person as best as you can and to be very cautious of the regulator in your mouth since they may try to rip it away from you. It's definitely not hearsay.

 

[Umuntu]

IT WAS TAUGHT IN A CLASS I SAT IN ON BECAUSE oops caps,,, because you don't know where the back up is on all divers or if you can get it released from its holder or other things in top of hte hose. They are told by many they were taught the only source of air available is in the mouth of your buddy and inteh dark you can not see to find the backup or that the diver is prepared to give up the one they are breathing on. I have also had people ask me for air with their hand on my primary. I think this is a 50/50 thing strongly dependant on how they were taught. Many I talk to about this do not trust the back up to not being tangled and unusable. Unlike tech gear checkouts once in the water most all I know do not do that. I do run the drill with those I dive with to practice and underwater checkout for leaks and accessability to the buddies air. Then again most I dive with are diving to practice those specific things. Im going out thursday to do just that for another diver that just wants to experience such issues and how to work around problems.

The only research of actual incidents that I have seen is that most divers revert to their training. The research has an analysis of types of reactions by percentage. Most divers are trained on secondary donate, and this is what most ooa divers in the research did.