Herd Immunity in Indonesia

[DownUnderwater Dan]

Indeed. The magic is in the word POSSIBLY. But I agree that it is very interesting.

Well the evidence is mounting across the world from the leading immunologists & scientists.

It will certainly change the doomsday projections of the return to international travel to past levels until 2024. All projections are based on antibodies & vaccines, if T-cells are taken into consideration, it will be a rapid recovery of the aviation industry

 

[KenGordon]

Well the evidence is mounting across the world from the leading immunologists & scientists.

It will certainly change the doomsday projections of the return to international travel to past levels until 2024. All projections are based on antibodies & vaccines, if T-cells are taken into consideration, it will be a rapid recovery of the aviation industry

You would need to explain your reasoning.

Anyway...

Say half of all people happen to be immune already. That means the death rate amount the other half is twice as high as we might believe. Are you going to test all those going on a plane to see if The you are immune and so not going to transmit the disease abroad? Is that much different to testing them for the infection before they travel? Can you do either at the scale required?

There are really three ways out of this:

First a simple, cheap, and effective treatment. People don’t often die of bubonic plaque now as we have a treatment.

Second a vaccine. This is why polio is gone.

Third, proper suppression. People isolating effectively such as happened in New Zealand and China.

Until then the idea of flying about the place is irresponsible and will lead to more deaths. In combination with a lack of suppression it will be millions more deaths.

 

[tridacna]

You would need to explain your reasoning.

Anyway...

Say half of all people happen to be immune already. That means the death rate amount the other half is twice as high as we might believe. Are you going to test all those going on a plane to see if The you are immune and so not going to transmit the disease abroad? Is that much different to testing them for the infection before they travel? Can you do either at the scale required?

There are really three ways out of this:

First a simple, cheap, and effective treatment. People don’t often die of bubonic plaque now as we have a treatment.

Second a vaccine. This is why polio is gone.

Third, proper suppression. People isolating effectively such as happened in New Zealand and China.

Until then the idea of flying about the place is irresponsible and will lead to more deaths. In combination with a lack of suppression it will be millions more deaths.

Add a ubiqitous, cheap and rapid test and I’ll agree with you...

 

[KenGordon]

Add a ubiqitous, cheap and rapid test and I’ll agree with you...

Unfortunately testing is often too late. Unless you test everybody regularly there will be people that have it but not enough to detect yet, maybe they caught it on the bus to the airport. You need cheap testing and other suppression methods.

Really there is no easy answer, people have to adapt for a while and not be selfish.

 

[tursiops]

To @DownUnderwater Dan.....

Someone stated:

There's reports in Australia of people in their 20s taking 12 weeks to get full respiratory function back.

To which you asked:

Do you know what percentage that is?

Since you hoped to get a number, I was curious if you were going to say that was bad or that was OK, so I asked what number you'd be happy with:

What would be the magic numbet, in your mind, that would be acceptable?

To which you replied, not knowing what you or anyone else had said, apparently:

What are you referring to? What was my question in relation to?

And then I guess you you decided it didn't matter, because you don't like getting a question as an answer to a question:

What you're replying to was a question I was asking, so I don't understand why you're answering a question with a question

It would appear you do not wish to discuss "reports in Australia of people in their 20s taking 12 weeks to get full respiratory function back" since it does not agree with your narrative.

 

[Centrals]

We tested 1.8m of our 8m population and discovered 32 hidden cases!
What about the rest who did not test? How many more hidden cases?
What is point to test initially if you cannot cover every single one of the population. Those who had been tested negative could easily been infected right after submitting the sample!!!
What a waste of money and effort!!! A good indication of how incompetent of HKSAR Gov is, absolutely clueless!!!

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

To @DownUnderwater Dan.....

Someone stated:

To which you asked:

Since you hoped to get a number, I was curious if you were going to say that was bad or that was OK, so I asked what number you'd be happy with:

To which you replied, not knowing what you or anyone else had said, apparently:

And then I guess you you decided it didn't matter, because you don't like getting a question as an answer to a question:

It would appear you do not wish to discuss "reports in Australia of people in their 20s taking 12 weeks to get full respiratory function back" since it does not agree with your narrative.

So you replied a few hours later after my question, um OK

Since you hoped to get a number, I was curious if you were going to say that was bad or that was OK, so I asked what number you'd be happy with:

I asked for the percentage since someone brought it up. I don't know the numbers, that's why I was asking. I don't know, maybe the percentage could be 0.001%, and if so, it would be completely ignorant to overlook illnesses other than covid-19 that cause the same

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

It would appear you do not wish to discuss "reports in Australia of people in their 20s taking 12 weeks to get full respiratory function back"

What are you going on about?

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

We tested 1.8m of our 8m population and discovered 32 hidden cases!
What about the rest who did not test? How many more hidden cases?
What is point to test initially if you cannot cover every single one of the population. Those who had been tested negative could easily been infected right after submitting the sample!!!
What a waste of money and effort!!! A good indication of how incompetent of HKSAR Gov is, absolutely clueless!!!

China handled covid-19 very well. Their economy and way of life has been a great success. Perhaps people can take a page out of their book

 

[DownUnderwater Dan]

We are buying the time for the vaccine to appear!
What would happen if there is none available within next few months or more?
For the mean time wear your mask and wash your hands often.

China is leading the world for a covid-19 vaccine, they have multiple vaccines