Hello! I am wondering where other divers draw a line between advanced diving and Tec. ? And should we have a Advanced post on this board?:mean: :mean:
Advanced Or Tec.
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blacknet
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Hello,
Basically it's the same thing. See 'tech' is a wide field. Can be advanced stuff, photo/video, etc..
Ed
Basically it's the same thing. See 'tech' is a wide field. Can be advanced stuff, photo/video, etc..
Ed
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I prefer to think of them as seperate.There are certification specialties for "advanced"divers.They entail a lot of different aspects of diving ,but none of the traditional keynotes of a "technical" dive.Some these are overhead environment(real and deco),penetration of different environments(cave,cavern,wreck)deeper than the traditional 130',the use of staged decompression,planned decompression and the equipment necessary to implement these plans.There is also a lot of specialised training to use all those "gadgets"reels,spools,staged bottles,techniques for getting to and from the site with all that junk.There is also the prolonged exposure to hypothermic environments which makes exposure protection issues critical(drysuit training)All this compared to learning how to do a boat dive,a night dive,a drift dive,plot a square in 60 ft of water,learn an hour about either bouyancy,photography,u/w hunting etc... and maybe thro in a rescue course.No ,I prefer not to use terms like "master diver" and "advanced diver" as a synonym for "tek dude"Not a macho thing as the 2nd best diver I know is 5' nothin' and female,it's about respect and clarity.
An advanced dive:
a) may reach depths between 100 and 130 ft.
b) is suitable for very experienced divers.
c) may involve limited wreck penetration where there are multiple, visible exits, or swift or variable current diving, or very cold water diving.
d) may have extremely limited or zero visibility.
e) may require special skills such as navigation, rescue, cavern diving, or special equipment.
A technical dive:
a) may reach depths in excess of 130 feet.
b)may do deep shipwreck penetration, or cave diving, or ice diving, or any type of diving where there is an overhead environment blocking direct and immediate access to the surface.
c) may involve the use of any gas that is not compressed air, including nitrox.
from: The Great Lakes Diving Guide, Cris Kohl
a) may reach depths between 100 and 130 ft.
b) is suitable for very experienced divers.
c) may involve limited wreck penetration where there are multiple, visible exits, or swift or variable current diving, or very cold water diving.
d) may have extremely limited or zero visibility.
e) may require special skills such as navigation, rescue, cavern diving, or special equipment.
A technical dive:
a) may reach depths in excess of 130 feet.
b)may do deep shipwreck penetration, or cave diving, or ice diving, or any type of diving where there is an overhead environment blocking direct and immediate access to the surface.
c) may involve the use of any gas that is not compressed air, including nitrox.
from: The Great Lakes Diving Guide, Cris Kohl
Lost Yooper
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I have to admit that I often use the two words interchangeably when Im talking about diving. I suppose when I think about it, I should consider them separate. When someone asks me what a technical dive is, I tell them its a dive that incorporates some form of a significant ceiling (deco or solid) as the primary part of the dive plan. An advanced dive doesnt necessarily have to incorporate a ceiling to make it advanced. I guess an advanced dive should be a dive that isnt basic, I guess.
Then you run into personal perception and definition. What may be advanced to one person or group of people may not be advanced to another. I might say that a 130 no deco dive is a basic dive where someone else may consider it advanced. Its certainly not technical, by my definition. I might consider a 40 cold water (35F) low visibility dry suit dive just a run of the mill basic dive, where someone in the Caribbean would see it as insane.
I guess if I had to differentiate between advanced and technical, I would say that advanced diving is the buffer between basic and technical. However, this isnt necessarily right either because this seems to imply that technical dives are more advanced than advanced dives which isnt necessarily the case either. A 35 deep, cold water, swift current, drift dive, with very limited visibility, is considered advanced by most divers -- including most technical divers. A 40min, 200 trimix dive in the Caribbean might be a cakewalk by comparison to the aforementioned drift dive.
I really dont know, I guess. A technical dive and an advanced dive are both more advanced than a basic dive, but personal perception can change everything in how one might define each. A technical dive is certainly advanced, but an advanced dive isnt a technical dive (by my definition of technical). A technical dive may very well be less advanced than some advanced dives.
Good question.
Mike
Then you run into personal perception and definition. What may be advanced to one person or group of people may not be advanced to another. I might say that a 130 no deco dive is a basic dive where someone else may consider it advanced. Its certainly not technical, by my definition. I might consider a 40 cold water (35F) low visibility dry suit dive just a run of the mill basic dive, where someone in the Caribbean would see it as insane.
I guess if I had to differentiate between advanced and technical, I would say that advanced diving is the buffer between basic and technical. However, this isnt necessarily right either because this seems to imply that technical dives are more advanced than advanced dives which isnt necessarily the case either. A 35 deep, cold water, swift current, drift dive, with very limited visibility, is considered advanced by most divers -- including most technical divers. A 40min, 200 trimix dive in the Caribbean might be a cakewalk by comparison to the aforementioned drift dive.
I really dont know, I guess. A technical dive and an advanced dive are both more advanced than a basic dive, but personal perception can change everything in how one might define each. A technical dive is certainly advanced, but an advanced dive isnt a technical dive (by my definition of technical). A technical dive may very well be less advanced than some advanced dives.
Good question.
Mike
I prefer to think of it as Diving and Tech Diving with the tech stuff having all the afore mentioned ceilings, misxed gases etc. Then the stuff done on holiday in places like the Red Sea is just plopping!
If someone tells me they are an advanced diver I would want to ask a lot of questions and see their log book to verify what they call advanced. Like so many others, I am sure, my first 9 open water dives were the open water course and the advanced course. But unlike a lot I was not naive enough to make me think that made me an advanced diver.....
Jonathan
If someone tells me they are an advanced diver I would want to ask a lot of questions and see their log book to verify what they call advanced. Like so many others, I am sure, my first 9 open water dives were the open water course and the advanced course. But unlike a lot I was not naive enough to make me think that made me an advanced diver.....
Jonathan
I have to agree with LY.
I have done many 200+ wall dives in places like GC and although they are "technical" dives requiring multiple gas switches and some with considerable deco obligations, to me they aren't an "advanced" dive in most cases they are pretty easy.
on the other hand
I dive off of N.Y. and N.J. and the visability especially early in the season can be less than 5 ft, with current, many entanglement hazards and cold water requiring drysuit with heavy undergarments and heavy gloves. the dives can be as shallow as 70-100 ft, Unless I am doing some long Bottom times there is no deco oblications, but I would classify this as an "advanced" dive because it has some heavy task loading and requires precise navigation or use of wreck reels to get you back to the tie in point. The last thing you want to do in the Northeast is a free ascent, and if by chance you cant find you anchor line then you'll have to shoot a bag to the surface as an ascent line..
Just my .02 cents
I have done many 200+ wall dives in places like GC and although they are "technical" dives requiring multiple gas switches and some with considerable deco obligations, to me they aren't an "advanced" dive in most cases they are pretty easy.
on the other hand
I dive off of N.Y. and N.J. and the visability especially early in the season can be less than 5 ft, with current, many entanglement hazards and cold water requiring drysuit with heavy undergarments and heavy gloves. the dives can be as shallow as 70-100 ft, Unless I am doing some long Bottom times there is no deco oblications, but I would classify this as an "advanced" dive because it has some heavy task loading and requires precise navigation or use of wreck reels to get you back to the tie in point. The last thing you want to do in the Northeast is a free ascent, and if by chance you cant find you anchor line then you'll have to shoot a bag to the surface as an ascent line..
Just my .02 cents
"Technical" diving to me must meet one basic criterion, from which all the others flow - overhead environment requiring redundant regs.
For example, cavern diving is "advanced," while cave diving is "technical."
There are grey areas - like a "deco" dive dictated by your SUUNTO computer that wouldn't be a deco dive were you diving an Oceanic, or excursions between 130 and 165 feet or so that put you in deco briefly but your multilevel profile wipes the deco off the computer before you have to make a hard stop.
If your time planning the dive doesn't exceed your dive time the dive isn't a technical one.
Rick
For example, cavern diving is "advanced," while cave diving is "technical."
There are grey areas - like a "deco" dive dictated by your SUUNTO computer that wouldn't be a deco dive were you diving an Oceanic, or excursions between 130 and 165 feet or so that put you in deco briefly but your multilevel profile wipes the deco off the computer before you have to make a hard stop.
If your time planning the dive doesn't exceed your dive time the dive isn't a technical one.
Rick
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PSP,
That's twice you have agreed with me. You'd best keep a tally like Liquid does.
Mike
That's twice you have agreed with me. You'd best keep a tally like Liquid does.
Mike
OP
That is the point I was trying to make when I started this Topic. You can have 300 dives to 60ft. in clear water with no current. Or 50 dives 90-130ft. in a number of conditions, so it doesn't matter what you call yourself. There is a difference in taking a advanced course and actually being advanced.
THANKS FOR THE INPUT.:mean:
THANKS FOR THE INPUT.:mean:
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