Alleged illegal tanks sold by Add Helium-Heads up to any that may have purchased
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cragfiend
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Would you please post the PM's between you, me and St John? You have my permission.
St. John, you ready to have people see me apologize to you, then you turn around and make a personal attack? C'mon, you are anonymous! It won't hurt you professional reputation or your DoD employment at all. Pretty please with sugar on top?
Seriously, they make the MOD pulling Mark Stephens post absolutely hilarious! Be a pal!
It is the PM string that I started, entitled "My Error", if that helps.
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" These lightweight cylinders are great for travel, and reduce the negative buoyancy of your rebreather - particularly useful when diving with a thin wetsuit as your exposure protection."
* Note these tanks are not DOT approved. While they meet CE standards, some dive shops may be unable or unwilling to fill them. Please follow all local laws and ordinances when filling and transporting these cylinders. Add Helium is not responsible for mis-use, or improper use of this cylinder."
A lot of people including myself have now or had these tanks just so we could travel with our rebreather's to places that don't have small 2 L tanks to rent like the islands. You can ship your sorb to the hotel before you go on your trip and have it waiting for you and fly in with your own lightweight carbon fiber tanks. It fills the need for people that want to dive their rebreather when they travel. I have seen hundreds of these things all over Florida even around cave country. I have never heard of one problem.
They can't be any worse than a low pressure cylinder jacked to 4000 or more in cave country,
Or a tank on some Caribbean island you rent that hasn't has a hydro or VIP in ten years so let's get some prospective on this.
They are sold at the buyers risk just like our CCR and Sorb. I would like to continue to have that freedom personally. If there is a problem with my cylinders safety it's on me because I knew the risk.
( I never personally put over 3000 psi in mine )
* Note these tanks are not DOT approved. While they meet CE standards, some dive shops may be unable or unwilling to fill them. Please follow all local laws and ordinances when filling and transporting these cylinders. Add Helium is not responsible for mis-use, or improper use of this cylinder."
A lot of people including myself have now or had these tanks just so we could travel with our rebreather's to places that don't have small 2 L tanks to rent like the islands. You can ship your sorb to the hotel before you go on your trip and have it waiting for you and fly in with your own lightweight carbon fiber tanks. It fills the need for people that want to dive their rebreather when they travel. I have seen hundreds of these things all over Florida even around cave country. I have never heard of one problem.
They can't be any worse than a low pressure cylinder jacked to 4000 or more in cave country,
Or a tank on some Caribbean island you rent that hasn't has a hydro or VIP in ten years so let's get some prospective on this.
They are sold at the buyers risk just like our CCR and Sorb. I would like to continue to have that freedom personally. If there is a problem with my cylinders safety it's on me because I knew the risk.
( I never personally put over 3000 psi in mine )
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cragfiend
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Mark,
I got told the same thing when I bought mine. Dive/fill at your own risk. 3200 for mine.
I visually inspect the wrapping each time before diving, and VI's the interior every time I have to pull the valves to fly. (And again before inserting the valves, just cuz I'm paranoid) Plus, they are essentially empty water bottles, and I always carry an empty aluminum MSR bottle to help make the point to TSA. Has anyone ever had any trouble with transporting them?
My only regret is that this thread may interfere with my ability to have these bottles filled at the local shop. Ah well, it was about time to buy a booster anyway.
I got told the same thing when I bought mine. Dive/fill at your own risk. 3200 for mine.
I visually inspect the wrapping each time before diving, and VI's the interior every time I have to pull the valves to fly. (And again before inserting the valves, just cuz I'm paranoid) Plus, they are essentially empty water bottles, and I always carry an empty aluminum MSR bottle to help make the point to TSA. Has anyone ever had any trouble with transporting them?
My only regret is that this thread may interfere with my ability to have these bottles filled at the local shop. Ah well, it was about time to buy a booster anyway.
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I would be most interested in seeing the compliance cert on that. BTW, even if CE compliant they may not be legally compliant in EU community nations.
unable or unwilling? It's freaking illegal. Come on seriously?? That is wink nudge BS
You really need to educate yourself, you could not be more wrong. Who told you that?
You have already stated you are good with having these nice lightweight cylinders to travel, it's likely a safe bet that you aren't bringing your own compressor to fill them so you are OK with putting others lives on the line. You can say "it's on me" except that check will be paid by somebody else. I don't think you do understand the risk..at all. You've either bought into a sales pitch, not facts or you simply don't care as long as you get light tanks that you enjoy and screw the silly rules and the risk to the tank monkey.
Birds of a feather
67macoshark
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How many years are the cylinders in question good for? Will you automatically toss them out after 15 years, or is it a personal preference based on a visual inspection?
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umm..the very reason so few wrapped tanks have a long service life is because damage in and between the cylinder wall and the wrap material is virtually impossible to detect by doing a external visual inspection
Only regret eh? That's sad.
I'LL BE BLUNT, I'M SEEING PEOPLE THAT HAVE BOUGHT INTO A PRODUCT AND SALES PITCH THAT KNOW THEY WEREN'T LEGAL AND FRANKLY COULD GIVE A CRAP ABOUT ANY RISK IT POSES TO THE DIVE SHOPS AND TANK FILLERS AND PASSERS BY AS THEY GET FILLED. THAT'S PRETTY DESPICABLE.
People around Florida are so use to seeing them I guess , so I don't think it's much of a problem getting them filled and people in the islands will fill anything, old soda bottles or gasoline cans if you give them money.
I fill my own tanks because I'm kind of picky on getting my gas mixes exactly on the numbers I want.
I did sell mine because I didn't use them that much anymore plus shops supporting ccrs when traveling are popping up more and more. We can thank in part Peter for that also , he has sold a lot of ccrs and set up a pretty big network of ccr supplies in dive shops all over the world.
If I kept mine I would have pitched them at 5 years just because If I can't these them I wouldn't trust them. Buying a replacement set is cheaper than a prosthetic arm or leg IMO
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