Keysdrifter454
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KimLeece:Hey Dweeb - are you upsetting people again!!!
I've known Dweeb for years.
He's just getting warmed up...
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KimLeece:Hey Dweeb - are you upsetting people again!!!
Keysdrifter454:But I think the point that Daphne is missing, is that the difference between your computer, and, say, your fins, is that your fins are not making decisions that can kill you. The computer is.
Passive vs active.
Diver0001:Well dweeb, in the real world they do. Nobody expects you to like it but the real world just isn't that cut and dry man.
Diver0001:You've totally forgotton what it's like to be a newbie, haven't you?
lairdb:As long as we're being pedantic,
- You incur a decompression obligation every time you dive. Every dive is a deco dive, and thinking otherwise is muddy thinking.
- Your position is inconsistent. If it is possible to transition safely from a failed computer to the tables mid-dive, then it is possible to transition safely from a failed computer to the deco tables mid-dive. What is the qualitative difference?
underwater daphne:magic? now you make it seem as if i'm crazy!
underwater daphne:i think we're totally misunderstanding each other. or you just want to misunderstand and misjudge me.I understand you. What I want is to change your perspective.
underwater daphne:btw i actually do have 2 comps. one of my wrist and one on my hose. but i've had enough of justifying myself to you.
No one asked you to. I commented; you responded.
We are having a discussion. I have no power to compell you to justify anything.
underwater daphne:you're a good expert diver and i'm a dumb diver who believes in magic and lives naively. really, you must know how i dive and live. i don't like being judged by complete strangers.
I'm not judging you. You'll notice I started out by pointing something out, and recommending that you learn something. Learning is the best thing you can do.
dweeb:Show of hands, how many people here are on a committee empowered to change agency standards. Hmmm, looks like no one. So, all we are really doing here is discussing the way we each believe things should be, in our opinion. I am fully cognizant of agency standards, and the state of the industry, and if I wasn't, I could get the information. Your words only have value to me if they tell me something I can't learn without you, and that means telling me your own ideas, not observations I can make myself.
So, I know idiots are diving. Tell me something new - tell me if you believe that's a good thing, and why or why not. Tell me what you would change if you could. Don't restate the obvious, but express your thoughts on the matter.
Not at all. You're assuming a lot about when I was a newbie.
Diver0001:Secondly I also think that tables are quickly becoming obsolete in recreational diving except in niche applications, like falling back from a broken computer. In tek diving it's a little different case because computer technology (software) hasn't caught up to practice just yet. And given that the tables are (or soon will be) obsolete, there is a legitimate discussion revolving around how much trust a diver should have in a computer (can we really ride the computer and if so how?) and procedures for dealing with a malfunction. ..
Diver0001:And finally (I'm almost done so get your fingers warmed up) if I were the king of the world I would change a lot of things about the training. About this bit specifically I would teach deco theory instead of tables and introduce both tables and computers where they belong, at the end of the discussion as two different ways of crunching the numbers..... The way it's done now (table centric) comes across to me as learning how a calculator works before you're taught about arithmetic. IMHO this is the root problem and the reason most new divers don't have a clue what the tables and/or their computer are really telling them.